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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that applying this has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our difference is worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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Ed

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with your host Jimmy Church

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I need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on The Game Changer Network

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welcome

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it's Monday October 24th

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I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west and

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far and near

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this is Fade to Black for kjcr the game

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changer and unex networks

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praise Hobbs

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I'm Yours Timmy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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how you doing all right

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tonight so excited

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Lee Spiegel joins us for Halloween night

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that's right tomorrow night Dan Terry is

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with us for the first time really

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excited about that as well that's

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tomorrow night for night five

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Wednesday night is the return of Shaw

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for our annual Halloween special I don't

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I think this is year number nine

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one of you fader knots can go out there

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and uh do the count for me but but I

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think it's it's eight or nine and I

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think it could be nine

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Shaw is back Wednesday night

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she'll be doing your readings back to

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back to back to back phone calls and uh

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you know how we do it and so that's

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going to go down on Wednesday night and

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open lines all night long all right

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something you know what I don't like

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about wearing glasses during the show

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the they squeak when I move they uh on

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eyes are tired

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know what sleep is for sissies so I'll

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get caught up on sleep finally for the

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first time uh this weekend something I

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13th I will be emptying and hosting the

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conscious life Expo once again this year

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and tickets and info are available right

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below us you can click on the links and

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get over there look at the amazing list

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of speakers and get your tickets and

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start plotting out your weekend at The

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Lax Hilton and then

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now let me see here if I do the math

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April 1st 2023 I will also be emceeing

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and hosting the peripod festival at the

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Hyatt Regency here in Valencia

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California this is alive one day podcast

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Awards film Awards film festival and

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media event all going down on one day

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now here's the deal you can submit your

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podcast your TV series your film your

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documentary whatever you've got you can

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submit it now click on the link

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parapodfilmfest.com and get your

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submissions in all the categories are

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there go and check them out and if

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you've done anything

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paranormal Supernatural UFOs conspiracy

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all that stuff Bigfoot you could submit

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your work right now at peripod filmfest

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dot com get it done

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maybe maybe you'll get an award

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that's right so come and hang out with

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us that is April 1st Saturday April 1st

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2023 and in Valencia California

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April 7th through the 14th 2023 I will

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also be hosting and presenting on the

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hidden secrets seminar at Sea cruise I

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don't you want to do that go from LA Los

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Angeles and we're going to go all the

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way down the coast into Mexico turn

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around and come back all right now that

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is April 7th uh through the 14th

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2023 the links for the crews are below

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all right we'll see you there a lot of

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fader knots already reached out and said

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with with all of you and then coming up

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this Monday

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a week from today

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network and we are going to do a full

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night

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uh originating from here in the bunker

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uh anniversary special and uh it's uh my

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co-host of course are race Hobbs and

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Margie K if you go over to the

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annexnetwork.com you can see some of the

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speakers and and our guests that are

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events that we're going to be doing uh

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uh uh ghost hunting at a couple of

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locations and we're going to announce

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the winners of your Haunted House

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contest and uh so submit the pictures of

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your decorated uh Halloween home and uh

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get those in and I am officially a judge

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that's right I might judge you can do

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all of that over at

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Jay churchradio the sandbox is hashtag

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really courageous you go over to the

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YouTube chat room but that's on you

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that's on you that's that's not on me

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you enter that at your own risk all

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f2bq which is right in front of me

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ah the big announcement came over the

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weekend it officially activated today

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officials at NASA have selected a team

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of 16 scientists and experts who will

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study the Mysteries

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surrounding uaps otherwise known as

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unidentified flying objects that's right

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extraordinary news extraordinary all

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what was it oh Liz truss Liz trust is

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minister sunac will become the first

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person of color and the first Hindu to

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lead the United Kingdom at 42 years old

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the office in more than 200 years he is

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set to replace that's right Liz truss

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shortest serving prime minister in UK

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history sunak will become Prime Minister

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by King Charles III former prime

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know how it works over there but uh

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keeps us on our toes

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check this out

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archaeologist Jimmy's a judge

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that that's pretty close there Cassandra

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that's going to get a like every single

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time I love sleep there's Olivia there

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you go and I love Twitter Ken priest

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Troublemaker Sarah Ann Rockstar Lord

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Nelson you guys are the best try scale

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archaeologist in Northern Iraq have

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discovered beautiful Rock carvings that

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the ancient moshki gate which Islamic

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the eight marble reliefs show finally

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chiseled War scenes Great Vines and palm

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trees if you haven't seen the images of

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these eight panels you've got to go and

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check it out this is some of the finest

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carvings of any art that I've ever seen

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2016 and so reconstructing that they

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found these panels and they are

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shooting his Arrow it they look brand

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new it's just incredible check it out

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all right well here's the big news

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believe it or not

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over the next couple of weeks not one

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but two eclipses will be taking place

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early on the morning of Tuesday November

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week from two weeks two weeks away the

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moon will plunge completely into the

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shadow of the earth producing a total

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lunar eclipse that will be visible from

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Prelude tomorrow Tuesday October 25th

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of the sun to take place a solar eclipse

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Russia that's right it's just going to

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go directly south through India and into

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we get nothing that's the way it is but

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it's going to be pretty cool on November

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8th all right let's get this show

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cracking on this day in history

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2003.

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the supersonic Concord Jet makes its

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last a commercial passenger flight

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from New York City's JFK Airport to

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for many years but the first time I saw

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it was was just crazy and I'm going to

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you know I fly into JFK

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if I saw it before but I certainly saw

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it on the runway a line

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of Concord Jets there was like three or

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four maybe five parked out there and and

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cruise and and seeing them in person

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it was it was just an amazing sight and

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every time that I flew into JFK

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I couldn't wait to see the the Concords

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sitting there on the runway

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and then they were gone

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I I just I just miss it I just miss it

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so there you go but I got to see it

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this before cell phone cameras right but

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I saw it I did all right here's your

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I went through this list today it's

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pretty incredible

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Disney

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and Marvel same company

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Disney and Marvel

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have five

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out of the top ten

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highest grossing films of all time

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Avengers and game

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Star Wars the Force awakens Avengers

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Infinity War Spider-Man no way home and

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the Avengers

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five out of the top ten of all time

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for a total take of over 11 billion

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ducks

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quacking in the pond

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and you go and you look at the list

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and you dig it a little bit deeper

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that's 50 right

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go to the top 16 grossing films of all

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time

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eight

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of the top 16. that's right half

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Disney and Marvel

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it is absolutely insane all right there

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you go Disney and Marvel that is so much

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money the

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the community of Burbank which is Tiny

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you can drive across Burbank in five

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minutes in and out of town north south

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east west doesn't matter Burbank is that

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big small

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and half of Burbank I bet if you went on

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Google Earth and you look at the studio

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complex there uh for Disney and Marvel

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it's probably half the City of Burbank

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that little piece of land which is just

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blocks wide

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11 billion dollars

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that's just in those five films that

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doesn't include it's just it's nuts you

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can smell the money man you can smell it

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tonight

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very special guest Lee Spiegel joins us

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for Halloween night four tomorrow night

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Dan Terry is here for Halloween night

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number five Wednesday night it's the

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return of Shaw The Loon witch and I

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think this is the ninth year

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yeah ninth year Shaw's going to be here

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doing your readings back to back to back

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to back is so much fun uh you're not

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going to want to miss it and if you have

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participated in a different Halloween

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specials in years past and Shaw did a

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reading for you Colin tell us what

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happened

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yeah yeah I want to hear from you so

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we'll do all of that that is Wednesday

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night and then Thursday night is another

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fader night uh with open lines all night

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long what does Skyhawks say here did you

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see all the NASA fine print they will

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only review unclassified information

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ah yeah

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all right Jimmy when the rock music

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comes on that is is that me

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that looks like me

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that's actually pretty good okay anyway

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go check that out that's over I'm

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reading the Twitter feed

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okay

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oh River Moon coffee

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foreign

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go back Lee tappy

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promo code f2b blend best coffee in the

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world hands down no question about it

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it is the best man this is squeaking

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on my glasses there's got to be a way to

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avoid it let's see do I bring this

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further down

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oh

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no more squeaking

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all right now a couple of things

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um that I wanted to take a minute to

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talk about number one

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uh yes I have just wrapped and completed

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season one

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of my new TV series

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okay now there's some chatter going on

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out there and there's been some pictures

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posted and information about the who

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what when is is kind of leaked out onto

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the internet didn't come for me but

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anyway that that's not my point uh well

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it sort of is in that I haven't

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announced anything because I adhere to

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my contracts

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and uh it's up to the network uh to

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figure out the marketing and the release

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of this

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um I do have a release date and it's

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going to be premiering uh in about two

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weeks all right so you're going to get

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episode one in about two weeks

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um today uh we started planning the

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marketing and the rollout of everything

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and I will be doing that uh as uh I'm

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supposed to

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all right and and the veil will be

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lifted and you guys will get to see this

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I'm very very very very very excited and

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um and we'll talk about this in uh more

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in depth later but

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um we when I say we that's the network

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and the team involved in my executive

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producer of course

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um from the very beginning

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we set the bar and set the standard

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really really high

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and uh with any network and I've been

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through many and I've been through many

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contracts

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a lot of promises are made they'll do

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anything to get you to sign

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and you go and do that and then in the

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end it's never what you thought it was

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and so this time around I can say

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that the vision that we talked about in

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the beginning almost two years ago

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actually happened

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I'm very very excited about this and I

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cannot wait

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um in Combined uh energies not only with

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completing uh this TV show which I have

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been shooting uh now for three months in

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between doing Fade to Black in between

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doing everything else I've shot two

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films

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um in the same time span uh which will

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be coming out later and the trips that I

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have been going on and everything that

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you know it has been extremely extremely

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busy here I've had no time off but

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that's all fine but I was able to

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um

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uh and this all ties into Egypt I was

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able to do a real assessment of of who I

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think I am and and my vision of the

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world of course this audience and things

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but but what is really going on

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what is going on what is going on with

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our life my life and and and and things

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what is it that we know what is it that

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we understand what is it that I think

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that I know

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and and I was tested

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um over these last few months uh both

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physically and spiritually and

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philosophically

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and uh when I got back from Egypt

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um I mean I was traveling back from

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Egypt

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and uh I had a I had a long flight uh

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between Amman Jordan and Chicago 13

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14-hour flight

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and

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Egypt what

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what was that all about

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and their

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go with me on this because this is how I

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started to put things together and it

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cultures around the world

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have understood

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how to go through a physical Journey

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to find yourself

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right and it could be it's so many

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cultures do it right you got a young man

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it doesn't matter what continent pick it

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do you send them off he's gone for 30

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days he's got no food he's got no

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weapons he's got no shoes whatever

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and he's got to go out and then come

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back

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he's now a different person and he's

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able to or she

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to look at themselves

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and in a lot of ways

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that's exactly what I went through and I

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certainly went through that in Egypt but

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I also went through in this last three

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four five month period testing myself

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both physically and mentally right so I

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I get back from Egypt and I mean I am

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just

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lost

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I saw way too much

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I went through too much and I'm trying

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to unpack and I'm trying to think about

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it I come back to the United States back

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to this version of reality and I'm again

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pushing the gas pedal down and I've got

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to do this I've got to do this I've got

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to get this done and there's just no

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time to stop and we go and we wrap the

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TV series and you know I come back and

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I'm just thinking man

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I have just

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through all of that

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I've been able to see things

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for myself just a little bit differently

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and and it's one of the things is this

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and this is where I'm going

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Egypt

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has had 5

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000 years

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to figure it out

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five thousand years

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you walk around Egypt it doesn't matter

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what part of the country

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um what part of society doesn't matter

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they've got it figured out

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it's in their DNA the smallest of

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children to the oldest adults

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they've got it figured out they're happy

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they've got it figured out

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and I look at the United States

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the rest of the world too but I look at

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the United States we're here

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we've got cultures you know we're a

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Melting Pot we're all of that but the

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country itself

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were 250 years old

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and you can push it to 300 you could

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push it to 400 if you want

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but imagine where the United States will

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be

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culturally as people

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4 000 years from now

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45 100 years from now

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where will we have it figured out yeah

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hopefully we will

534
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but you don't get that point of view you

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00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:13,020
don't get that perspective

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until you leave this country and go to a

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country like Egypt

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where they have it figured out

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you come back here and we simply do not

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we are thousands of years away

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from being where Egypt is right now as a

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people as a culture and as a country

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and that's the that's the test

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right and and when when you go through

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00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:46,559
it and it's fun

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00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:48,059
and you come back here and you just

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realize yeah it's great I love my

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friends I love my family I love this

549
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country I do I love all of it

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00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:56,340
but man we've got a lot of growing up to

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00:31:02,090 --> 00:30:57,679
do

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it's and and where are we going to be

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in 5 000 years

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as a culture as a country hopefully

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we'll be like Egypt where everybody from

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the youngest of the young to the oldest

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00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:15,779
of the old is walking around with a

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smile on their face

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00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:22,140
that's right this is Fade to Black I am

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your host Jimmy Church

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tonight is Halloween night four we've

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got Lee Spiegel joining us tomorrow

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night Dan Terry excited about the tan

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Terry is with us tomorrow night for

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night five Wednesday night it is the

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return of Shaw The Loon witch we're

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gonna do open lines all night long

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because she's gonna do your readings all

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it's all good this is Fade to Black I am

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your host Jimmy church tonight Lee

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Spiegel is with us night number four of

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our Halloween leading up

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to our anniversary special event that's

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going down a week from today on Monday

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and uh now here's the deal

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Lee's going to be there

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all right race Hobbs is going to be

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there Margie K is going to be there

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we've got a whole list of guests we're

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going to be doing a paranormal stuff I

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think three different locations

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definitely two I think there's a

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surprise third and we're also going to

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announce the winner of the Halloween

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house decorations contest all right so

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we're going to be doing all of that and

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Lee Spiegel's going to be there but

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here's the deal Lee has presented

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credible compelling stories about UFO

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science and the Paranormal to the public

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since 1975 when he produced a

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documentary record album called UFOs The

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credibility factor for CBS in 1978 he

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began eight years of writing producing

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and hosting nearly 1500 local and

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National programs on NBC radio dealing

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of course with the UFOs and unexplained

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phenomena also in 1978 he became the

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only person in history to produce a UFO

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prison Temptation at the United Nations

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also during this time he was a feature

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writer for Omni magazine one of my

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favorite Publications and then between

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2010 and 2017 he was writing for The

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Huffington Post in 2020 he co-produced

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and co-wrote the phenomenon the UFO

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documentary from director James Fox

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currently he is the co-producer and host

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of the weekly edge of reality radio

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program and he's also the managing

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editor of the unex magazine you know

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what I can go on and on I can go on and

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his his resume

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you know I I just read

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that because I'm tired I'm tired I just

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got back from Egypt I don't need to

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spend 15 minutes reading Lee Spiegel's

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life history oh lee you're on with us

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how you doing my man I just appeared out

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of nowhere

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and Lee you're the absolute very best

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and when I grow up and and turn into you

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and I just want to be you well see well

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and and you know there are so many

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things about you that I wish I could be

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for example I wish I had the same

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background as you have right now ah yes

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that you know what um somebody asked me

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um uh this is about three weeks ago

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I'm not going to say who the guest is

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right if you guess goes uh straightening

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on my glass the guest literally said man

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I love the green screen that you have oh

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I said what are you talking about I

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don't use a green screen he goes no the

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the guitar is the green screen yeah I

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said I I go what this green screen right

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here you're talking about this what

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those are real I said they are

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but uh yeah it's not a green screen yeah

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thank you for that Lee

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um we've talked about this in the past

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and uh you know we don't have to go into

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it now but what most people don't know

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about about Lee is you know he's a

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musician too and was a member of that uh

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very clicky coffee and marijuana pot

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smoking Greenwich Village music steam

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actually yes that's exactly what was

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going on there and uh in my first week

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when I landed in New York City in 1970

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I I went there from New Hampshire I left

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New Hampshire

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with a suitcase and my guitar right got

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on a Trailways bus and I remember seeing

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as we approached Manhattan seeing the

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Empire State Building for the first time

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and going wow I'm actually doing this

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I'm I'm going to take my folk singing

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skills and go to Manhattan and get a

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record deal

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that was that was what what I was doing

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and it wasn't until well that was 1970

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and it was like not until five years

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later that I got a record deal but it

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had nothing to do with my music it was a

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record deal to produce a documentary

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record deal about UFOs yeah it's funny

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how that happened yeah man well you and

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I uh we've got a lot to do tonight and

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uh and what I love about having you on

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is we can just talk about anything yeah

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you and I our careers have uh such a

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similar path to it something that you

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and I talked about privately where Lee

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and I will be going well I did that too

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I did it too yeah

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um but you know I did the same thing and

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uh you know I jumped on the plane one

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day with a hundred bucks in my pocket

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and left Indianapolis

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uh for Los Angeles with you know stars

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in my eyes and things and I I kissed it

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I I touched it I didn't quite you know

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and and my attorney and I wouldn't

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change anything right but my journey has

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led me to you tonight and and and what

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my career is today and I'm happy man I

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wouldn't have changed anything I know

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you're not playing that Martin 12 string

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at a coffee shop you know yeah and and

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uh the meat district but that but you

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know that's cool too but look look at

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what everything you know what okay if

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you had a choice right you never change

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anything but you have a choice

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opening up for Simon and Garfunkel at

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Carnegie Hall right for a presentation

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at the United Nations for UFOs oh wow

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well yeah boy

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I've I've got to do the United Nations

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yeah exactly exactly and it's fun and

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it's funny that you should mention that

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at Carnegie Hall because uh

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one of the things that I did before I I

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it was a lucky stroke that I was able to

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put this UFO record together for CBS I

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was earning earning a living still

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trying to be a folk singer still trying

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to get a record deal and I was a

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salesperson at one of the biggest music

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stores music instrument stores in New

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York City called Sam Ash right and and

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regular recording artists would come in

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and one day

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uh I get picked by the store manager and

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saying oh you see that guy over there

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you can you can handle him and it was

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Jackson Browne oh there you go so you

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walked into the into the store and I

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went over to him and said uh hello can I

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help you with something he said yeah my

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name is Jackson I said yes sir I know

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it's a pleasure to meet you uh what are

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you what are you looking for he said

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well I'm in the mood for a new guitar

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maybe two new guitars what if you got in

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a good new acoustic guitar that a lot of

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people haven't heard about and I said

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well yeah come with come this way let me

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show you what we've got off off the rack

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well see it's an acoustic guitar because

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this was before electricity everybody

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yes this is

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well and I I pulled off on a guitar

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called agurion it was a brand new

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handmade from Vermont guitar the way

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Martin guitars used to be always

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handmade from was it Nazareth

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Pennsylvania I believe that's right and

833
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:42,839
I I pulled off this green guitar and he

834
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:45,540
played it and he loved it he said I'll

835
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:48,300
take two of them

836
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,220
wait wait wait wait wait I'm going to

837
00:44:59,150 --> 00:44:53,040
tell you uh a funny story

838
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:02,569
the inside of a Martin guitar it says

839
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:05,760
handmade in Nazareth Pennsylvania right

840
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,319
when Robbie Robertson of the band is

841
00:45:15,550 --> 00:45:12,960
writing that famous line

842
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:15,560
so I went down to Nazareth

843
00:45:20,270 --> 00:45:18,780
right okay uh take a load off Annie

844
00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:20,280
right and then

845
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,020
uh Nazareth

846
00:45:27,470 --> 00:45:24,960
he said he didn't know where to go in

847
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:27,480
the song he didn't know he's writing the

848
00:45:34,609 --> 00:45:30,660
lyrics and he looks down into his Martin

849
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,619
guitar and sees Nazareth

850
00:45:41,530 --> 00:45:36,900
and that's how Nazareth got into that

851
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:41,540
song oh is that crazy that's great

852
00:45:46,730 --> 00:45:44,280
in the new documentary about the band

853
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:46,740
and when he tells us I was like I always

854
00:45:53,569 --> 00:45:50,760
wondered about that wow where is this

855
00:45:56,290 --> 00:45:53,579
coming from it's just because he looked

856
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,300
into his Martin guitar

857
00:46:01,790 --> 00:45:59,280
Nazareth yeah great story so Jackson

858
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:01,800
Browne says okay I'll take two of them

859
00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:03,000
um what are you doing when you get off

860
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:05,880
work tonight and I said uh well I I'm

861
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:07,859
working till six o'clock would you what

862
00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:09,900
do you have in mind he said I'm Gonna

863
00:46:14,770 --> 00:46:13,079
Leave Your Name at the backstage door of

864
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:14,780
Carnegie Hall

865
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:17,400
and just show up there and show up there

866
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:19,500
on you know seven o'clock not much later

867
00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:22,140
than that and they will they will bring

868
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:24,540
you up to my dressing room and I thought

869
00:46:29,150 --> 00:46:27,300
well cool fine I if I had any plans

870
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,160
they're gone now

871
00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:32,160
so I went to Carnegie Hall

872
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:34,440
I said hi my name is Lee Spiegel and I

873
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:35,940
hope my name is on your list yes you

874
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:38,040
come right in and they brought me up a

875
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,020
couple of flights of stairs and we

876
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:41,760
walked into I walked into Jackson

877
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:43,140
browne's dressing room where he was

878
00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:44,700
sitting there and playing one of the

879
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:46,680
guitars that he had purchased for me

880
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:48,660
earlier that day but that's not what

881
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:51,420
really caught my eye it was who was

882
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:53,220
sitting like on the other side of his

883
00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:56,280
dressing room and it was Linda Ronstadt

884
00:47:02,089 --> 00:46:58,380
but that was the whole crew back then

885
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,099
yeah you know that was a cruise so uh

886
00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:04,560
it's Jackson Browne it's the Eagles it's

887
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:05,640
it's

888
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,520
um uh Linda Ronstadt they were all

889
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:10,319
roommates they were all living together

890
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:13,920
they were all in each other's bands and

891
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:16,920
and learning how to write together I

892
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:19,800
would have loved uh that that part of

893
00:47:26,809 --> 00:47:21,720
music history

894
00:47:29,569 --> 00:47:26,819
um okay okay so Glenn Frey yes is as is

895
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:29,579
renting a house in on Laurel Canyon

896
00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:31,740
right okay the infamous Laurel County

897
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:33,660
and

898
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:40,079
the Eagles right they're living in this

899
00:47:43,690 --> 00:47:42,180
house and they're trying to write songs

900
00:47:47,650 --> 00:47:43,700
for their first album

901
00:47:50,569 --> 00:47:47,660
renting the basement a one-room

902
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:50,579
bedroom in the basement

903
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,300
Jackson Brown ah and so they said they

904
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:57,119
would sit up there and it doesn't matter

905
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,880
what the song is Right Running on Empty

906
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:01,440
or whatever

907
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:04,260
um uh doctor my eyes or something right

908
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,020
so Jackson Brown he they said they were

909
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:09,359
up there for like two months listening

910
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:12,420
to the opening verse

911
00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:16,500
over and over and over again over and

912
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,359
over and they go down to Jacksonville

913
00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:21,359
dude can you move on to the second line

914
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:22,680
he goes no man I'm trying to get it

915
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:23,520
right

916
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,380
and and and uh and Glenn Frey said

917
00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:30,960
that's when I learned right there you

918
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:32,460
just don't write a song like that and

919
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:33,720
it's perfect

920
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,720
Jackson Brown is a song Smith

921
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:38,640
and so they start hanging out with

922
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,980
Jackson trying to learn how to write a

923
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:43,440
song and and what did they do they'd

924
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:46,380
turn into Linda ronstadt's backup band

925
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:47,880
you know you know what I mean it was

926
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:50,579
just yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah all

927
00:48:56,569 --> 00:48:54,480
Circle and look at the genius uh that

928
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:56,579
that whole group created and you were

929
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,980
right there man good for you it was it

930
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:00,720
was an amazing time

931
00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:04,140
um I as soon as I saw Jackson there and

932
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,180
Linda Ronstadt I I looked around and I

933
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:08,700
wanted to say to someone pinch me I I

934
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:11,940
can't believe you know where I am and in

935
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:15,240
fact the rest of the evening is kind of

936
00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:17,160
kind of a big blur to me right now

937
00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:19,560
because I was so enamored by where I was

938
00:49:25,309 --> 00:49:22,980
at the backstage Carnegie Hall uh it had

939
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:25,319
and I had other moments like that with

940
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,380
other musical Heroes of mine not the

941
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,760
least of which were Peter Paul and Mary

942
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:31,200
oh

943
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:35,339
uh you know what and and you saying this

944
00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:39,480
yeah this is we're only a part by uh

945
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,880
about 10 years or so all right give or

946
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,200
take

947
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:45,839
um and so the generational Gap

948
00:49:54,109 --> 00:49:50,940
between 1970 and 1980 because I'm a 1980

949
00:49:56,329 --> 00:49:54,119
guy you're a 1970 guy so I have people

950
00:49:59,089 --> 00:49:56,339
come up to me all the time and they want

951
00:50:03,050 --> 00:49:59,099
to know so man what was it like you know

952
00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:03,060
in the Sunset Strip in 1983 yeah because

953
00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:07,319
it was the same thing that went on in on

954
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:10,560
Laurel Canyon and and and the the

955
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:12,660
Meatpacking District right of New York

956
00:50:17,470 --> 00:50:15,180
and Greenwich Village uh the same thing

957
00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:17,480
where it's just a small group of friends

958
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:21,060
that change the world and and that's

959
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,220
when I on the Sunset Strip where you're

960
00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:25,440
walking around and there's this band and

961
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:27,720
this that went on you know to

962
00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:30,180
fundamentally change things but we

963
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:32,280
didn't know that right and Linda

964
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,980
Ronstadt and you and Jackson Browne they

965
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:36,480
didn't know that they were changing the

966
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:37,140
world

967
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:39,000
they were just hanging out and doing

968
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,079
their thing

969
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:43,200
and I did I didn't know what fate had in

970
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:44,579
store for me

971
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:47,760
I I mean I was just a musician from New

972
00:50:54,049 --> 00:50:50,760
England wanted a record deal and that

973
00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:54,059
that's all I knew it was just all I knew

974
00:50:58,970 --> 00:50:56,940
and I could not have known anything

975
00:51:03,349 --> 00:50:58,980
differently until

976
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,359
uh it's 1973 when I was working at that

977
00:51:06,370 --> 00:51:05,280
same music store where I sold those

978
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,380
guitars

979
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,359
and one of the um in the back of the

980
00:51:12,349 --> 00:51:10,559
store is where they sold all the

981
00:51:14,329 --> 00:51:12,359
woodwind instruments and the two guys

982
00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:14,339
there always had a little radio playing

983
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:16,500
in the background and they had it tuned

984
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:17,640
to

985
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,700
um one of the two main New York news

986
00:51:25,849 --> 00:51:23,280
stations and one day when I was standing

987
00:51:29,930 --> 00:51:25,859
in the back of the store this news item

988
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:29,940
came on about something happened the two

989
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:33,359
events took place within the same week

990
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:39,180
in 1973 in October 1973 that basically

991
00:51:44,990 --> 00:51:41,940
changed my whole life I went what did

992
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:45,000
the guys just say people saw what in

993
00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:47,700
this guy two fishermen from Pascagoula

994
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:49,740
Mississippi claimed that what happened

995
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:52,619
to them while they were fishing what an

996
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:55,680
army helicopter almost collided with a

997
00:52:05,230 --> 00:52:00,180
UFO over Ohio what what's what's this

998
00:52:07,730 --> 00:52:05,240
was that a 42nd Street no uh 48th Street

999
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:07,740
48th Street was was pretty much called

1000
00:52:14,329 --> 00:52:11,339
music row because on both sides of the

1001
00:52:17,569 --> 00:52:14,339
Street between uh Sixth Avenue and

1002
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:17,579
Broadway they were music stores on both

1003
00:52:21,609 --> 00:52:19,740
sides of the street so if you were a

1004
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:21,619
musician in Italian you needed anything

1005
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,420
uh you knew where to go this was the

1006
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:27,359
place to go in Manhattan uh to get all

1007
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:29,160
your supplies all your instruments all

1008
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,880
your accessories this was it now it's uh

1009
00:52:37,490 --> 00:52:35,520
I wonder what what 48th Street is is

1010
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:37,500
like today I'm sure Sam Ash is still

1011
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:40,559
there but there's no 50 music is Sam Ash

1012
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:44,400
gone Sam Ash is now the called the the

1013
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,300
Super Sam Ash store uh on 34th Street

1014
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:50,640
right near B H Photo they're right

1015
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:53,819
between 8th Avenue and 9th Avenue

1016
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:57,839
um next to Sam Ash on 48th Street there

1017
00:53:02,750 --> 00:52:59,880
used to be their competitor Manny's

1018
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,760
music Manny's was amazing yeah many

1019
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:05,280
times I think eventually Sam Ash bought

1020
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:07,800
out mayonnaise but that whole that whole

1021
00:53:12,589 --> 00:53:09,780
street now it hasn't been that long

1022
00:53:14,809 --> 00:53:12,599
since I've driven down that street this

1023
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:14,819
is not a music store anywhere it's crazy

1024
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:17,099
it's called condos people are living in

1025
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:19,800
apartment buildings there that's it the

1026
00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:22,559
the music part of it is gone it's

1027
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:26,220
history it's like wow b h is still there

1028
00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:29,520
b h is now over on

1029
00:53:38,089 --> 00:53:33,900
um 34th Street at the corner of 34th and

1030
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:38,099
9th Avenue now do you okay uh do not

1031
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:41,400
tell me this has changed the original b

1032
00:53:47,650 --> 00:53:44,819
h when you walked in there they had a

1033
00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:47,660
this train system

1034
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:51,420
delivery system in the ceiling where so

1035
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:54,300
you walk up to the counter and you go uh

1036
00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:56,700
can I see that camera in the case and

1037
00:54:01,010 --> 00:53:58,740
they'll take it out and show me yes I'll

1038
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:01,020
take it they'll ring it up and then that

1039
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,420
goes upstairs and then it would come

1040
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:05,520
down on that trolley I would stand there

1041
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:08,040
and this thing went through the whole

1042
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,440
store it's like a model train set it's a

1043
00:54:15,049 --> 00:54:12,960
whole conveyor belt the conveyor belt

1044
00:54:18,190 --> 00:54:15,059
thing yeah and you stand there and then

1045
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:18,200
all of a sudden the camera it comes down

1046
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:21,660
and it is in your hands and I would

1047
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:23,880
stand there somebody go can I help you

1048
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:26,640
I'll go man give me a few minutes man I

1049
00:54:32,809 --> 00:54:29,520
got just gotta I gotta watch this and

1050
00:54:35,809 --> 00:54:32,819
it's just create thousands of boxes and

1051
00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:35,819
are being delivered to where somebody is

1052
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:38,220
standing and it just comes down it was

1053
00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:40,140
the most amazing thing so tell me that

1054
00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:47,690
um B H Photo is the kind of place where

1055
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,800
it's it's like a musician's candy store

1056
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,559
it's like you can't not buy something

1057
00:54:59,089 --> 00:54:55,680
when you're there even if you just want

1058
00:55:01,790 --> 00:54:59,099
to buy like five guitar picks or a capo

1059
00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:01,800
or something you've got to buy something

1060
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,540
while you're there it's just so that you

1061
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:05,040
can see where it's coming on the

1062
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:06,660
conveyor belt and you see them putting

1063
00:55:09,890 --> 00:55:08,040
it in the bag and then they hand it to

1064
00:55:15,049 --> 00:55:09,900
you thank you for coming yeah I did it

1065
00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:15,059
twice I did it twice just because oh man

1066
00:55:20,809 --> 00:55:19,260
um I bought uh uh I want to get this

1067
00:55:26,030 --> 00:55:20,819
exactly right

1068
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:26,040
I bought a 35 the cheapest camera

1069
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:27,660
um I could find there was 30 fish before

1070
00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:29,339
digital

1071
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:32,099
um and it wasn't very much money

1072
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:34,200
um but they have every camera ever made

1073
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:36,059
in the history of the known universe in

1074
00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:38,700
this store they have thousands of water

1075
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:40,920
cameras and things of everything it's

1076
00:55:47,630 --> 00:55:44,160
it's all there but I I'm okay can I see

1077
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:47,640
that yes all right I'll take it and uh

1078
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:49,800
it took like five minutes five minutes

1079
00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:52,740
that thing was delivered man right down

1080
00:55:57,049 --> 00:55:54,839
to me it was it was the coolest thing I

1081
00:55:58,190 --> 00:55:57,059
still have the camera too well you know

1082
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:58,200
when they first started I think they

1083
00:56:03,170 --> 00:56:00,599
were just known as B H Photo so that's

1084
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:03,180
that's what they were well known for and

1085
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:05,700
then they just expanded into everything

1086
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:09,000
they sell everything and and I've over

1087
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,740
the years I've gotten to the point now

1088
00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:12,720
where I don't have to go into Manhattan

1089
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:14,520
if I'm looking for something that I want

1090
00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:16,200
to buy from them I can go right online

1091
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:18,540
see something I'm kind of interested in

1092
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:21,660
and I can call them and their sales

1093
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:24,900
people are so smart they know what

1094
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,720
they're talking about and they won't try

1095
00:56:32,809 --> 00:56:30,000
and sell you anything that you don't

1096
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,819
want they'll they'll offer advice and if

1097
00:56:35,569 --> 00:56:34,319
you're using your computer they'll say

1098
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,579
hold on a second let me send you a

1099
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couple of links of maybe two of the

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items that you're looking for and you

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can decide which one you think you like

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I and and you don't have to buy it from

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00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:43,680
us today think about it and then you

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00:56:47,690 --> 00:56:45,540
know call us back or just go online and

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00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:47,700
buy it and and the other thing is

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for no extra money

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00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,540
uh depending on where you where you live

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00:56:54,890 --> 00:56:53,520
I live like almost 100 miles out of

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Manhattan

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00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:56,940
um I'll have it the next day delivered

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00:57:03,130 --> 00:56:59,160
to the house it's so funny I'm watching

1112
00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:03,140
the chat are we going to talk about UFOs

1113
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:06,599
the more you guys push it the longer Lee

1114
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:10,200
and I are going to talk guitar strings

1115
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:12,180
well I I mean look we can talk about

1116
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:16,500
it's not very often that you and I get

1117
00:57:22,010 --> 00:57:17,880
to talk about this kind of stuff too

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00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:22,020
because people don't always know what

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00:57:27,049 --> 00:57:24,420
our backgrounds are yeah that's right

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00:57:28,970 --> 00:57:27,059
and what you said before when you

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00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:28,980
introduced me did I hear anything like

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00:57:33,250 --> 00:57:30,900
oh he used his own guitar is at a place

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00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:33,260
called no that doesn't

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00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:37,440
I sold guitars at Guitar Center oh yes

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00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,900
yeah yeah absolutely man I did my two

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00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,280
years at the trenches

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00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:44,400
I absolutely did and if I hadn't done

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00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:46,440
that I wouldn't be here today with you

1129
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:50,400
if you hadn't have hung out on 48th

1130
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:51,720
Street you wouldn't be here right now

1131
00:57:57,230 --> 00:57:54,540
and see that's here's the crazy thing uh

1132
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,240
about the journey Lee

1133
00:58:01,010 --> 00:57:59,520
um people say this all the time well if

1134
00:58:03,770 --> 00:58:01,020
I could go back in time I would go back

1135
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:03,780
and fix it okay you do that everything

1136
00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:06,960
in your life changes you don't have your

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00:58:10,250 --> 00:58:08,220
kids

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00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,260
you don't marry the person that you

1139
00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:12,720
thought you don't get that all of that

1140
00:58:18,349 --> 00:58:16,260
changes right do you really want to

1141
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:18,359
alter one little thing about your past

1142
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:22,380
because then everything is different for

1143
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:25,619
me I'm not I'm not changing one single

1144
00:58:30,410 --> 00:58:28,500
thing the good and the bad it's all fine

1145
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,420
yeah I I agree

1146
00:58:35,329 --> 00:58:32,160
um because you never know who you're

1147
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:35,339
going to meet who can who can help to

1148
00:58:40,670 --> 00:58:38,220
transform the rest of your life and how

1149
00:58:43,789 --> 00:58:40,680
you believe about think about things and

1150
00:58:46,010 --> 00:58:43,799
and and uh you you just never know you

1151
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,020
go with your feelings and I remember the

1152
00:58:50,089 --> 00:58:48,240
day that uh that that light bulb

1153
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,099
appeared over my head when I was in the

1154
00:58:54,589 --> 00:58:52,079
store the light bulb turned on and said

1155
00:58:56,089 --> 00:58:54,599
forget your music career you're going to

1156
00:58:59,390 --> 00:58:56,099
start looking into

1157
00:59:02,270 --> 00:58:59,400
weird stuff that happens from the skies

1158
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,280
and stories that people are telling and

1159
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,799
uh and I just kind of went with that and

1160
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:06,480
I started reading as many books as I

1161
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:09,780
could on UFOs and I remember the day

1162
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:12,660
that I called my parents uh from New

1163
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:14,040
York and they always liked it when I

1164
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:15,960
called and they would get on you know

1165
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,200
two separate phones in the house and my

1166
00:59:22,609 --> 00:59:21,119
mother didn't talk a lot because she

1167
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:22,619
just liked to listen

1168
00:59:27,049 --> 00:59:25,740
well my dad was a big talker and so how

1169
00:59:29,870 --> 00:59:27,059
are you doing today some anything

1170
00:59:31,789 --> 00:59:29,880
happening with your music well uh listen

1171
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:31,799
I just wanted to tell you guys something

1172
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:32,940
that

1173
00:59:38,510 --> 00:59:35,460
I I think I've decided to

1174
00:59:40,730 --> 00:59:38,520
stop pursuing my music career

1175
00:59:43,150 --> 00:59:40,740
oh oh really

1176
00:59:47,809 --> 00:59:45,950
you have something else in mind I said

1177
00:59:49,150 --> 00:59:47,819
yeah I basically said something like are

1178
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:49,160
you both sitting

1179
00:59:57,250 --> 00:59:53,940
are you gonna be a doctor no no no no no

1180
01:00:06,190 --> 00:59:57,260
no are you gonna be an engineer

1181
01:00:11,089 --> 01:00:09,170
I'm going to start doing some research

1182
01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:11,099
into

1183
01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:14,220
how shall I put it UFOs

1184
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,819
do you have you ever heard the term UFOs

1185
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:19,440
and my mother still didn't say anything

1186
01:00:25,730 --> 01:00:22,260
but my dad started chuckling you you

1187
01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:25,740
mean you mean flying saucers I said yes

1188
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:29,460
Dad it's exactly what I mean and he said

1189
01:00:35,390 --> 01:00:33,599
well okay tell us more oh well then he

1190
01:00:38,829 --> 01:00:35,400
didn't say honey call the call the

1191
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:38,839
lawyer we need to look at the will

1192
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,760
how this money's being distributed but

1193
01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:43,920
they were okay with it oh not only were

1194
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:45,540
they okay Jimmy

1195
01:00:51,049 --> 01:00:48,900
I mean from the moment I got into all of

1196
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:51,059
this they wanted to know everything I

1197
01:00:55,490 --> 01:00:53,040
was doing how's the album coming how's

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01:00:58,370 --> 01:00:55,500
your UFO album coming who have you

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01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,380
interviewed who's coming up uh and and

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01:01:02,030 --> 01:01:00,240
then later on

1201
01:01:05,329 --> 01:01:02,040
um you're going to do something at the

1202
01:01:08,569 --> 01:01:05,339
United Nations give us the date and on

1203
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:08,579
the day of the U.N big presentation in

1204
01:01:14,089 --> 01:01:12,359
November of 1978 my mother and father a

1205
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:14,099
younger brother and I guess one of my

1206
01:01:19,069 --> 01:01:15,960
cousins got into a car

1207
01:01:21,530 --> 01:01:19,079
in New Hampshire and drove to New York

1208
01:01:23,150 --> 01:01:21,540
in a snowstorm so they could be at the

1209
01:01:25,450 --> 01:01:23,160
United Nations to see what I was doing

1210
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:25,460
that's what life's all about right there

1211
01:01:30,410 --> 01:01:28,799
whoa let's take a commercial break right

1212
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,420
here let's get this in our guest tonight

1213
01:01:36,670 --> 01:01:33,119
the one and only Lee Spiegel when we

1214
01:01:41,089 --> 01:01:36,680
come back we'll talk about the aliens

1215
01:01:43,609 --> 01:01:41,099
the UFOs Lee Spiegel is here I'm Meryl

1216
01:01:46,130 --> 01:01:43,619
shimmy church this is Fade to Black stay

1217
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,140
with us we'll be right back after this

1218
01:01:50,650 --> 01:01:48,960
short break we're going to talk about

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01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,660
we're going to talk about Egypt

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01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,079
[Music]

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01:01:56,580 --> 01:01:54,720
and the Art of selecting the correct

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01:02:10,990 --> 01:01:56,590
guitar pick we'll be right back

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01:02:18,370 --> 01:02:14,089
this is baby black with Jimmy Church on

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01:02:22,930 --> 01:02:21,289
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hello fader knots Jimmy church here

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you've seen me with my thunderstorm now

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them it's called a thunderstorm because

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it purifies the air just like after a

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thunderstorm and right now you can save

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right there Jimmy Church click on it and

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get your deal today that's EdenPURE

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because you never got that pony you

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01:04:14,990 --> 01:04:11,000
always wanted

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01:04:18,289 --> 01:04:15,000
damn it Jimmy church and Fade to Black

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01:04:21,890 --> 01:04:18,299
on the game changer Network

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01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:21,900
listen I know and you know that you've

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01:04:26,329 --> 01:04:23,940
always wanted your first crystal skull

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01:04:28,670 --> 01:04:26,339
or maybe you're a collector just like me

1273
01:04:31,609 --> 01:04:28,680
but you just don't know where to go to

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01:04:33,309 --> 01:04:31,619
find the real thing then I met Carolyn

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01:04:36,349 --> 01:04:33,319
Ford over at Einstein the

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crystalskull.com Carolyn is the guardian

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01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:38,579
of Einstein one of the most respected

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of her unique skulls have been imprinted

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sitting with Einstein in his sacred

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gemstone and materials imprinting is the

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from the master skull or Master computer

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see Carolyn's current collection of

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on the banner over on our site don't

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forget to use the promo code Jimmy at

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today that's promo code Jimmy finding

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this is race hops here repping the

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01:05:38,569 --> 01:05:33,839
planet and you're listening to my good

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01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:40,609
Sophie cable you're listening to

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01:05:46,250 --> 01:05:43,440
jimmychurch radio.com don't hurt me

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01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:46,260
Jimmy I'm only little hey I'm Adrian

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01:05:50,650 --> 01:05:48,540
Grenier and this is Ari Gold we're the

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honey Brothers

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01:05:59,569 --> 01:05:57,770
we're the honey brothers and you're

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listening to Jim mie Church show

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this is Jimmy Church of Fade to Black

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and you can become an official fate or

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Not by just going to our membership

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hello this is Serena Wright Taylor from

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conscious life Expo and you're listening

1311
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,180
to fade to black with Jimmy Church who

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01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:20,400
holds the lucky pony record for the best

1313
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,880
astrological chart since 1963. true

1314
01:06:27,529 --> 01:06:25,039
story

1315
01:06:28,970 --> 01:06:27,539
this is Micah Hanks of the Grayling

1316
01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:28,980
report and you're listening to Jimmy

1317
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:45,370
[Music]

1318
01:06:45,380 --> 01:06:50,890
thank you

1319
01:06:54,529 --> 01:06:53,210
Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm your host

1320
01:06:57,529 --> 01:06:54,539
Jimmy Church

1321
01:07:00,109 --> 01:06:57,539
Monday night kicking off another amazing

1322
01:07:01,250 --> 01:07:00,119
week here on Fade to Black lead Spiegel

1323
01:07:04,970 --> 01:07:01,260
is Our Guest

1324
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:04,980
and uh now we're also uh this week and

1325
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:06,299
over the last couple of weeks we're

1326
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:07,440
celebrating

1327
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,440
network and Lee uh your central part of

1328
01:07:19,370 --> 01:07:16,079
all of that and it's pretty crazy that

1329
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:19,380
it has been a year and yeah yeah and uh

1330
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:21,480
but we'll see on Monday night we'll talk

1331
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:24,240
more about that uh on Monday night and

1332
01:07:29,150 --> 01:07:26,460
and things but I I just can't I don't

1333
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:29,160
know where the year went but I want uh

1334
01:07:35,329 --> 01:07:32,880
we have talked so much over the years

1335
01:07:38,890 --> 01:07:35,339
um and I want to get into your head

1336
01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:38,900
about about some other things and

1337
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:42,660
with with the amount of research

1338
01:07:47,569 --> 01:07:45,599
um that you have done into the UFO

1339
01:07:50,690 --> 01:07:47,579
subject

1340
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:50,700
um do you find yourself going down the

1341
01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:53,579
same paths that I think many researchers

1342
01:07:59,450 --> 01:07:56,460
do is that you start with something

1343
01:08:02,450 --> 01:07:59,460
modern that has drawn you in right in

1344
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:02,460
this case it could be Pascagoula right

1345
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,520
um but uh and then you see you you start

1346
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:08,400
moving yourself backwards and then you

1347
01:08:14,329 --> 01:08:12,420
find that possibly uh I'm not sure this

1348
01:08:16,570 --> 01:08:14,339
is the question that this has been going

1349
01:08:20,510 --> 01:08:16,580
on for thousands and thousands of years

1350
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,520
this isn't some Modern situation yeah

1351
01:08:25,550 --> 01:08:22,319
you do the same thing did you just

1352
01:08:26,689 --> 01:08:25,560
continue to research backwards I had no

1353
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:26,699
choice

1354
01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:30,000
um it it just kind of evolved that way I

1355
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:32,940
when I first heard the the story of the

1356
01:08:37,070 --> 01:08:34,799
Pascagoula Mississippi fisherman

1357
01:08:39,229 --> 01:08:37,080
Lieutenant Colonel Larry Coyne and the

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01:08:42,169 --> 01:08:39,239
helicopter incident uh that they almost

1359
01:08:45,169 --> 01:08:42,179
collided with all I wanted to know was

1360
01:08:47,450 --> 01:08:45,179
was this real or were these phony

1361
01:08:50,749 --> 01:08:47,460
stories but they turned out to be more

1362
01:08:52,970 --> 01:08:50,759
real than not and so I started to read

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01:08:55,010 --> 01:08:52,980
the available books that I could at the

1364
01:08:58,189 --> 01:08:55,020
time this was this was basically this

1365
01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:58,199
was 1973 and

1366
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:01,679
um again we we did not have a thing then

1367
01:09:06,169 --> 01:09:03,480
called the internet

1368
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:06,179
it was all you you had to rely entirely

1369
01:09:11,150 --> 01:09:08,460
on going to the library or if you wanted

1370
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,160
to do any kind of serious research uh

1371
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:12,960
you'd have to go to Washington to the

1372
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:15,359
National Archives and sit in front of

1373
01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:17,819
those big microfilm projectors and and

1374
01:09:21,410 --> 01:09:19,140
look at things if you wanted to know

1375
01:09:24,110 --> 01:09:21,420
anything about Project Blue Book that

1376
01:09:25,970 --> 01:09:24,120
the Air Force had for 20 25 years you

1377
01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:25,980
had to go there and look through the

1378
01:09:30,110 --> 01:09:28,500
microfilm Project Blue Book files and

1379
01:09:32,209 --> 01:09:30,120
even that stuff wasn't really crystal

1380
01:09:35,390 --> 01:09:32,219
clear and it was like it was like a

1381
01:09:37,610 --> 01:09:35,400
total hassle but if you were into doing

1382
01:09:40,430 --> 01:09:37,620
it and if you've made the commitment to

1383
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,440
learning more about it uh then you did

1384
01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:42,719
it you did whatever you could

1385
01:09:49,010 --> 01:09:45,540
and when when I first started reading

1386
01:09:51,169 --> 01:09:49,020
about the UFOs I wanted to know

1387
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,179
really are there aliens are there

1388
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:53,279
extraterrestrials I was a I grew up in

1389
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:55,380
the 50s believe it or not

1390
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:58,800
uh I I from Massachusetts I was born in

1391
01:10:04,370 --> 01:10:01,199
Boston uh moved to Concord New Hampshire

1392
01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:04,380
when I was five years old and and had a

1393
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:05,780
normal regular

1394
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:09,840
upbringing very stable family life where

1395
01:10:16,189 --> 01:10:12,719
the UFOs and unidentified this or that

1396
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:16,199
never came up ever I mean nothing Loch

1397
01:10:22,430 --> 01:10:20,400
Ness monster Poltergeist uaps I mean we

1398
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:22,440
never had these kinds of family

1399
01:10:28,610 --> 01:10:26,159
discussions or experiences I had to read

1400
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:28,620
about other people's experiences or

1401
01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:31,860
encounters and well let me jump in you

1402
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:34,140
said New Hampshire Yeah Eddie and Barney

1403
01:10:40,130 --> 01:10:37,679
Hill 1961. do you remember that yeah

1404
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:40,140
well I was I went to Plymouth State

1405
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:41,760
College which is now Plymouth State

1406
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:44,100
University up in in Plymouth New

1407
01:10:49,490 --> 01:10:48,719
Hampshire uh my dormitory room looked

1408
01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:49,500
out

1409
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:51,900
and further north to just a few miles

1410
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,840
north of where I was at the Indian Head

1411
01:11:00,110 --> 01:10:57,120
Resort area where the Betty and Barney

1412
01:11:02,510 --> 01:11:00,120
Hill abduction took place and and so

1413
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:02,520
people in New Hampshire heard about this

1414
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,400
because word spread really fast nobody

1415
01:11:10,010 --> 01:11:07,920
tried to keep it quiet but it did take a

1416
01:11:12,530 --> 01:11:10,020
few years before the first book came out

1417
01:11:15,410 --> 01:11:12,540
on the subject before their story hit

1418
01:11:17,930 --> 01:11:15,420
Life Magazine right uh and and people

1419
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:17,940
started hearing about this and and it

1420
01:11:22,910 --> 01:11:20,640
seemed like at the time we we hadn't

1421
01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:22,920
heard about a thing called an abduction

1422
01:11:30,130 --> 01:11:26,940
or kidnapping it's like they set this

1423
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:30,140
case set the bar and set it pretty high

1424
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:33,120
for those kinds of stories to come out

1425
01:11:37,850 --> 01:11:36,060
and now you know how many tens of

1426
01:11:40,370 --> 01:11:37,860
thousands or more are we hearing about

1427
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:40,380
from around the world of people who are

1428
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:43,199
reporting some kind of close encounters

1429
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:47,159
with someone or something from somewhere

1430
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:51,600
uh the uh if we go back to the 1973

1431
01:11:57,770 --> 01:11:54,239
timeline yeah I would have been 10 years

1432
01:12:01,810 --> 01:11:57,780
old uh but something else really

1433
01:12:05,870 --> 01:12:01,820
incredible happened uh between 70 and 73

1434
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:05,880
which was Eric Von daniken yes uh Church

1435
01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:08,960
of the Gods guys you know I think it's

1436
01:12:14,689 --> 01:12:12,360
1970-71 the book came out uh and the

1437
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,699
film came out uh did you go did you go

1438
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:17,040
see the film or read the book first got

1439
01:12:22,370 --> 01:12:19,980
the book first right yeah uh I the the

1440
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:22,380
first thing that I would do would find

1441
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:23,820
the kind of books that that caught my

1442
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:25,679
interest the very first book I read was

1443
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:28,320
beyond Earth man's contact with the UFOs

1444
01:12:34,010 --> 01:12:30,540
that was written by husband and wife

1445
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,020
team of Ralph and Judy Blum and and they

1446
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,960
they wrote the book based on their

1447
01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:39,600
research then Ralph was was one of the

1448
01:12:44,270 --> 01:12:41,940
writers and researchers for an NBC TV

1449
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:44,280
what they called a white news or white

1450
01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:46,920
paper News special that NBC used to put

1451
01:12:52,189 --> 01:12:49,560
on the air and they were doing something

1452
01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:52,199
about UFOs and based on all the people

1453
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:55,560
that appeared in Ralph's book The the

1454
01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:57,840
politicians the astronauts the military

1455
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,120
the commercial pilots

1456
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:02,159
um even they broke the story in the book

1457
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:04,500
of the Pascagoula Mississippi story

1458
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:07,920
right right uh and and so I I wanted to

1459
01:13:12,350 --> 01:13:10,800
I was really taken by that book and and

1460
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:12,360
I really really

1461
01:13:18,350 --> 01:13:15,480
couldn't imagine going any further in my

1462
01:13:20,810 --> 01:13:18,360
own quest to learn more that I really

1463
01:13:23,930 --> 01:13:20,820
wanted to meet the blums and my whole

1464
01:13:25,810 --> 01:13:23,940
story about how I I kind of well I kind

1465
01:13:29,450 --> 01:13:25,820
of broke the law

1466
01:13:32,510 --> 01:13:29,460
in my quest to meet them because I knew

1467
01:13:35,390 --> 01:13:32,520
that he had an office at NBC 30 Rock in

1468
01:13:38,330 --> 01:13:35,400
New York City and I I just one day

1469
01:13:41,050 --> 01:13:38,340
decided I was going to go to NBC and try

1470
01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:41,060
and find him that's how naive I was

1471
01:13:46,850 --> 01:13:44,820
about that kind of thing and I just had

1472
01:13:48,530 --> 01:13:46,860
to meet the guy because his book really

1473
01:13:52,430 --> 01:13:48,540
impressed me

1474
01:13:54,290 --> 01:13:52,440
and and uh and I went to NBC one day in

1475
01:13:57,050 --> 01:13:54,300
the middle of the of 30 Rock where the

1476
01:13:59,570 --> 01:13:57,060
security desk was and I knew I didn't

1477
01:14:02,810 --> 01:13:59,580
have any reason to be there legally and

1478
01:14:04,130 --> 01:14:02,820
so I had no pass or anything or ID and I

1479
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:04,140
noticed that there was a crowd of people

1480
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,780
gathering around the security desk and I

1481
01:14:10,850 --> 01:14:08,880
asked somebody what's going on what's

1482
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:10,860
the crowd for and someone said to me oh

1483
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,239
we're here we're on the tour and we're

1484
01:14:17,689 --> 01:14:14,400
here to see a couple of showings of

1485
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:17,699
Jeopardy quiz show because they used to

1486
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:20,400
do it at 30 Rock uh in New York and I

1487
01:14:23,689 --> 01:14:21,840
said oh that's interesting and I waited

1488
01:14:25,070 --> 01:14:23,699
and I waited and I waited and finally

1489
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,080
one of the NBC people said okay

1490
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:27,360
everybody's here for the tour stay in

1491
01:14:30,410 --> 01:14:28,800
line we're going to go through the desk

1492
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:30,420
I'm going to go into the elevators and

1493
01:14:33,709 --> 01:14:31,260
we're going to go up and we're going to

1494
01:14:35,570 --> 01:14:33,719
go to the studio to see Jeopardy and I

1495
01:14:38,810 --> 01:14:35,580
in my naivety

1496
01:14:41,149 --> 01:14:38,820
just blend it in with the crowd and went

1497
01:14:44,590 --> 01:14:41,159
through the security desk

1498
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:44,600
uh yeah that's right

1499
01:14:50,810 --> 01:14:48,239
that is completely naive but it worked

1500
01:14:52,610 --> 01:14:50,820
and my father was so proud of me when I

1501
01:14:54,669 --> 01:14:52,620
told him the story that I wasn't calling

1502
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:54,679
it from prison

1503
01:14:59,689 --> 01:14:58,560
right no but I I basically I went

1504
01:15:02,510 --> 01:14:59,699
through the crowd and I thought well

1505
01:15:04,669 --> 01:15:02,520
while I'm here yeah I'd like to see a

1506
01:15:06,590 --> 01:15:04,679
taping of a real quiz show and I went

1507
01:15:09,050 --> 01:15:06,600
into the studio and saw three different

1508
01:15:11,330 --> 01:15:09,060
Jeopardy shows

1509
01:15:12,590 --> 01:15:11,340
um and when that was all done and okay

1510
01:15:14,030 --> 01:15:12,600
everybody it's time to leave now we're

1511
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,040
going to take you on the rest of the NBC

1512
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,560
tour and and they started walking down

1513
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,480
the Halls everybody stay in line you

1514
01:15:22,970 --> 01:15:20,400
know don't lose your position and as the

1515
01:15:25,610 --> 01:15:22,980
crowd went one way I just decided to

1516
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,620
walk in the other direction and and I

1517
01:15:29,689 --> 01:15:27,600
found myself on the floor with the news

1518
01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:29,699
officers were and I was going down the

1519
01:15:34,370 --> 01:15:32,100
hall looking to see if I could find the

1520
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,380
name a name plaque that might have said

1521
01:15:39,050 --> 01:15:36,719
Ralph blone news Department Ralph Lauren

1522
01:15:42,830 --> 01:15:39,060
but I didn't so I walked into a couple

1523
01:15:44,810 --> 01:15:42,840
of different newsrooms and somebody said

1524
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,820
Can can we help you and I said well

1525
01:15:47,930 --> 01:15:46,560
um I'm looking for Ralph blum's office

1526
01:15:49,610 --> 01:15:47,940
I'm here to pick up something for him

1527
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,620
they said well no this is not his office

1528
01:15:53,570 --> 01:15:51,600
hold on let me check our directory oh

1529
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:53,580
he's he's further down here he's like in

1530
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:56,640
room 2134 just down the other end of the

1531
01:16:01,729 --> 01:15:58,640
hall thank you very much and I went down

1532
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:01,739
walked in and I didn't know if he was

1533
01:16:06,410 --> 01:16:04,320
going to be there or not I was just like

1534
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:06,420
Indiana Jones I was making it up as I

1535
01:16:10,970 --> 01:16:09,600
went along you know and I walked in and

1536
01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:10,980
someone said can I help you and I said

1537
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:11,940
yes

1538
01:16:16,430 --> 01:16:14,400
um uh is this Ralph blum's office and

1539
01:16:18,050 --> 01:16:16,440
they said yes but Ralph is out of town

1540
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:18,060
uh can we help you with something I said

1541
01:16:21,770 --> 01:16:19,679
yes I'm actually here to pick up his

1542
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,780
mail for him and bring it to his home in

1543
01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:23,040
Manhattan

1544
01:16:29,209 --> 01:16:27,060
total lie because and total illegal I

1545
01:16:31,790 --> 01:16:29,219
mean I mean really I didn't know what I

1546
01:16:32,450 --> 01:16:31,800
was doing and they said oh hold on a

1547
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:32,460
second

1548
01:16:37,130 --> 01:16:35,040
and they came back and they had a couple

1549
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:37,140
of rubber bands tied around a whole lot

1550
01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:39,840
of mail and things and they said uh you

1551
01:16:43,370 --> 01:16:41,820
know this is for Ralph and um

1552
01:16:44,930 --> 01:16:43,380
tell him we hope he's having a good time

1553
01:16:46,669 --> 01:16:44,940
see him when he gets back I said thank

1554
01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:46,679
you very much I turned around and I

1555
01:16:51,410 --> 01:16:48,659
walked out and I walked out of the NBC

1556
01:16:53,630 --> 01:16:51,420
going what did I just do how long did it

1557
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:53,640
how long did it take before he contacted

1558
01:16:58,370 --> 01:16:56,159
you I'll tell you uh I I because I had

1559
01:17:00,169 --> 01:16:58,380
his address now on all of his mail he

1560
01:17:03,169 --> 01:17:00,179
had a Madison Avenue

1561
01:17:04,850 --> 01:17:03,179
um building so I I got into a cabin and

1562
01:17:07,490 --> 01:17:04,860
said take me to so and so Madison Avenue

1563
01:17:08,590 --> 01:17:07,500
again not knowing what I was going to

1564
01:17:10,729 --> 01:17:08,600
find

1565
01:17:14,270 --> 01:17:10,739
but I was feeling a little better about

1566
01:17:17,390 --> 01:17:14,280
it at this point uh get out of the cab

1567
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:17,400
and went over to the mailbox outside and

1568
01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:18,719
there were a lot of different names and

1569
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,380
I saw the name Blum and and I I hit the

1570
01:17:28,250 --> 01:17:24,480
buzzer for Blum and there was no

1571
01:17:31,070 --> 01:17:28,260
response okay so then I I hit the buzzer

1572
01:17:33,169 --> 01:17:31,080
for uh building super

1573
01:17:34,130 --> 01:17:33,179
and the super came out and said yeah can

1574
01:17:36,649 --> 01:17:34,140
I help you with something I said yeah

1575
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:36,659
I'm here to deliver my Mr blum's uh mail

1576
01:17:39,709 --> 01:17:38,520
can I leave it with you and give it to

1577
01:17:41,570 --> 01:17:39,719
him and he comes back and the guy says

1578
01:17:43,130 --> 01:17:41,580
sure I said great hold on a second I

1579
01:17:44,510 --> 01:17:43,140
want to leave him a note and I took out

1580
01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:44,520
a piece of paper and I wrote yeah Dear

1581
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,340
Mr Blum my name is Lee Spiegel and and

1582
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:49,920
I'm a big fan of your book beyond Earth

1583
01:17:56,270 --> 01:17:53,520
I have an idea for how you can take this

1584
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,280
uh an idea beyond your book that you

1585
01:18:00,169 --> 01:17:58,320
might really enjoy I'd love to talk to

1586
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,179
you about it hope you'll get in touch

1587
01:18:05,689 --> 01:18:02,640
with me here's my number gave it to the

1588
01:18:09,169 --> 01:18:05,699
Super and I waited like two days later

1589
01:18:12,050 --> 01:18:09,179
my phone rings and I said hello and this

1590
01:18:14,570 --> 01:18:12,060
voice said is this Lee Spiegel yes it is

1591
01:18:17,149 --> 01:18:14,580
uh this is Ralph Blum how the hell did

1592
01:18:19,790 --> 01:18:17,159
you get my mail

1593
01:18:23,090 --> 01:18:19,800
and and I'm thinking oh you know today

1594
01:18:27,250 --> 01:18:23,100
you would get arrested oh of course that

1595
01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:27,260
is of course that is stalking101

1596
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:29,580
stalking for a good for a good reason

1597
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:32,239
yeah yeah stocking one-on-one

1598
01:18:37,250 --> 01:18:34,800
I want to change gears because all of

1599
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:37,260
this led to and then the album and the

1600
01:18:46,250 --> 01:18:41,520
album oh yeah but uh I wanna I'm

1601
01:18:48,410 --> 01:18:46,260
following the chat here and here's this

1602
01:18:51,610 --> 01:18:48,420
is what is interesting because this

1603
01:18:53,870 --> 01:18:51,620
happened to you uh not long after this

1604
01:18:57,290 --> 01:18:53,880
but everybody's talking about their

1605
01:19:00,830 --> 01:18:57,300
first UFO sighting in the chat yes

1606
01:19:02,810 --> 01:19:00,840
um you can we talk about I want

1607
01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:02,820
everybody to hear this while it's in the

1608
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:04,500
flow here

1609
01:19:09,229 --> 01:19:07,320
um the triangle sighting and and the

1610
01:19:12,110 --> 01:19:09,239
reason for that is because I've I've

1611
01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:12,120
showed uh everybody uh the painting and

1612
01:19:17,229 --> 01:19:14,820
the depictions of it in the past yeah

1613
01:19:20,750 --> 01:19:17,239
um I don't have that in front of me but

1614
01:19:23,870 --> 01:19:20,760
that sighting uh was actually turned out

1615
01:19:26,209 --> 01:19:23,880
to be a very very very big deal but it's

1616
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:26,219
always when you least expect it yeah we

1617
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:27,840
we didn't know

1618
01:19:32,689 --> 01:19:30,000
um we through with Ralph blum's help and

1619
01:19:36,649 --> 01:19:32,699
some contacts that I made in the city

1620
01:19:38,810 --> 01:19:36,659
um we got a record deal from CBS uh and

1621
01:19:40,370 --> 01:19:38,820
they gave me front money so that I could

1622
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:40,380
travel around the country and interview

1623
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,500
people for the album and because of all

1624
01:19:47,209 --> 01:19:45,120
the people that Ralph and Judy had in

1625
01:19:50,209 --> 01:19:47,219
their book he helped set me up with with

1626
01:19:52,010 --> 01:19:50,219
people like Alan heineck Stan Friedman

1627
01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:52,020
Gordon Cooper

1628
01:19:57,169 --> 01:19:54,780
um Jim mcdivitt politicians I mean it

1629
01:19:58,610 --> 01:19:57,179
was a it was such an easy thing and he

1630
01:20:00,770 --> 01:19:58,620
gave me phone numbers and I introduced

1631
01:20:03,050 --> 01:20:00,780
myself and they said sure come we'll you

1632
01:20:05,390 --> 01:20:03,060
can be uh you can we can we can be

1633
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:05,400
interviewed by you for your documentary

1634
01:20:12,530 --> 01:20:08,400
so it in the middle of working on this

1635
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:12,540
documentary in 1975 I'm home and and I

1636
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,800
get a call from Dr J allenic okay the Dr

1637
01:20:20,930 --> 01:20:18,239
J Allen heinek because I had already

1638
01:20:23,330 --> 01:20:20,940
gone to Evansville Evanston Illinois and

1639
01:20:25,310 --> 01:20:23,340
interviewed him for my album so he and I

1640
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:25,320
had already started to become close

1641
01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:28,320
friends and he called and asked me and

1642
01:20:33,050 --> 01:20:30,120
told me that there was something going

1643
01:20:35,090 --> 01:20:33,060
on in Lumberton North Carolina that he

1644
01:20:37,610 --> 01:20:35,100
was getting phone calls from police

1645
01:20:41,450 --> 01:20:37,620
officers sheriff's deputies highway

1646
01:20:44,750 --> 01:20:41,460
patrolman uh something was being seen in

1647
01:20:46,729 --> 01:20:44,760
their Skies over several days and they

1648
01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:46,739
were calling him on his special 800

1649
01:20:52,669 --> 01:20:49,980
hotline at the center for UFO studies in

1650
01:20:55,010 --> 01:20:52,679
Illinois asking him for help to

1651
01:20:56,450 --> 01:20:55,020
investigate this so he said I don't have

1652
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:56,460
anyone down there

1653
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:59,520
that can be helpful in that do you have

1654
01:21:03,410 --> 01:21:00,960
time I know you're working on your album

1655
01:21:05,630 --> 01:21:03,420
do you have time to go down there and

1656
01:21:07,450 --> 01:21:05,640
see what's going on interview as many of

1657
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:07,460
the law enforcement people as you can

1658
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:11,760
and fill out a report and and submit it

1659
01:21:16,490 --> 01:21:14,760
to me and if I like what you've given us

1660
01:21:18,770 --> 01:21:16,500
um I'll publish your findings through

1661
01:21:20,689 --> 01:21:18,780
the center for UFO studies and I said

1662
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:20,699
tell me what there's what they're

1663
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:23,040
reporting what are they seeing he said

1664
01:21:29,870 --> 01:21:27,120
well here in 1975 we don't hear much

1665
01:21:33,229 --> 01:21:29,880
about people reporting something that's

1666
01:21:36,110 --> 01:21:33,239
a boomerang shape or a triangle

1667
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,120
um you know a v-shaped object and I said

1668
01:21:40,729 --> 01:21:39,120
let me get this straight Alan are you

1669
01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:40,739
asking me to go down there and

1670
01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:42,600
investigate something that basically

1671
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:44,900
sounds like a flying Dorito

1672
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,480
and he said he said look if you're too

1673
01:21:54,350 --> 01:21:51,120
busy if you don't want to go and I said

1674
01:21:56,930 --> 01:21:54,360
no don't finish that thought you're the

1675
01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:56,940
you're the last person I know who who I

1676
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:58,980
want to piss off I'm go I'm going

1677
01:22:02,030 --> 01:22:00,960
because you've asked me to go of course

1678
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:02,040
I'm going

1679
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:05,280
and and within hours of arriving in

1680
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:07,920
Lumberton North Carolina and I went to

1681
01:22:12,590 --> 01:22:10,080
the the local sheriff's department in

1682
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,600
Lumberton and I was doing my initial

1683
01:22:16,430 --> 01:22:14,400
interviews with police officers who had

1684
01:22:18,350 --> 01:22:16,440
come to tell me their stories and then

1685
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:18,360
all of a sudden at one point the the

1686
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,580
dispatcher started getting lots of phone

1687
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:22,560
calls and one of the sheriff's

1688
01:22:27,530 --> 01:22:25,320
dispatchers Ron Thompson said it's back

1689
01:22:30,830 --> 01:22:27,540
it's back let's go

1690
01:22:33,770 --> 01:22:30,840
and he and I get into one of the cars uh

1691
01:22:36,169 --> 01:22:33,780
and off we went and we kept in touch

1692
01:22:38,270 --> 01:22:36,179
with other law enforcement cars and

1693
01:22:40,610 --> 01:22:38,280
offices through the car radio so we

1694
01:22:42,169 --> 01:22:40,620
always knew where everybody was uh went

1695
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:42,179
a few miles out of town

1696
01:22:47,689 --> 01:22:44,880
pulled up in front of this this vast

1697
01:22:50,570 --> 01:22:47,699
field it was already after dark there

1698
01:22:53,450 --> 01:22:50,580
was no moon we could see the stars and

1699
01:22:55,550 --> 01:22:53,460
we all got out of the cars after we

1700
01:22:59,330 --> 01:22:55,560
pulled up at the at the edge of the the

1701
01:23:02,270 --> 01:22:59,340
field and we looked across the field in

1702
01:23:05,390 --> 01:23:02,280
front of us and above the Treetops we

1703
01:23:08,330 --> 01:23:05,400
saw this red and white alternating back

1704
01:23:11,330 --> 01:23:08,340
and forth light red then white moving

1705
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:11,340
slowly from our left to our right above

1706
01:23:15,770 --> 01:23:12,960
the Treetops and we just stood there and

1707
01:23:18,530 --> 01:23:15,780
watched and then it stopped

1708
01:23:21,709 --> 01:23:18,540
and then started slowly moving across

1709
01:23:22,810 --> 01:23:21,719
the field in our Direction

1710
01:23:25,689 --> 01:23:22,820
okay

1711
01:23:28,130 --> 01:23:25,699
that got our attention pretty fast

1712
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:28,140
and it kept moving closer and closer and

1713
01:23:33,290 --> 01:23:30,480
closer until it stopped and it just

1714
01:23:35,709 --> 01:23:33,300
parked itself right in the sky above

1715
01:23:38,450 --> 01:23:35,719
where we were and it was at that point

1716
01:23:41,090 --> 01:23:38,460
that we could see that it was like it

1717
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,100
was like a v-shape it had a row of red

1718
01:23:45,410 --> 01:23:43,440
lights up one side white lights up the

1719
01:23:46,669 --> 01:23:45,420
other and at the Apex was a large of

1720
01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:46,679
bright light

1721
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:48,840
and because of these lights that were

1722
01:23:54,169 --> 01:23:52,080
underneath the craft we then could see

1723
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:54,179
the actual shape that yeah it was a

1724
01:23:58,189 --> 01:23:56,640
triangle shape we can now see that how

1725
01:24:00,590 --> 01:23:58,199
big was it

1726
01:24:02,630 --> 01:24:00,600
everybody agreed that it probably wasn't

1727
01:24:05,689 --> 01:24:02,640
much bigger than one of the patrol cars

1728
01:24:08,450 --> 01:24:05,699
that we were in 20 feet maybe yeah at

1729
01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:08,460
the most right right we then started

1730
01:24:12,290 --> 01:24:10,140
noticing things like

1731
01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:12,300
do you hear anything do you guys hear

1732
01:24:17,450 --> 01:24:15,540
anything no not even a hum and what was

1733
01:24:19,550 --> 01:24:17,460
the altitude above the cars they they

1734
01:24:22,490 --> 01:24:19,560
figured maybe just a few hundred feet

1735
01:24:24,350 --> 01:24:22,500
because right there oh it was right

1736
01:24:27,010 --> 01:24:24,360
there yeah yeah

1737
01:24:30,350 --> 01:24:27,020
um and it made no sound no engine sound

1738
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:30,360
uh and it was just sitting there and and

1739
01:24:36,350 --> 01:24:33,600
as we watched it where the the brighter

1740
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,360
light was at the top a beam came out of

1741
01:24:40,850 --> 01:24:38,400
it and it came right down to the ground

1742
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:40,860
and like right in front of where we were

1743
01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:43,320
all standing this thing the the light

1744
01:24:49,310 --> 01:24:46,020
hit the ground and

1745
01:24:51,229 --> 01:24:49,320
it must have lasted it only lasted no

1746
01:24:54,649 --> 01:24:51,239
more than three seconds that it was on

1747
01:24:56,450 --> 01:24:54,659
the ground and then it went back up now

1748
01:24:58,490 --> 01:24:56,460
you can't imagine or maybe you can try

1749
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:58,500
and imagine what's going through your

1750
01:25:03,229 --> 01:25:01,199
head I'm thinking well wait a minute

1751
01:25:05,149 --> 01:25:03,239
it's trying to calm my heart down that's

1752
01:25:07,130 --> 01:25:05,159
trying to LEAP out of my chest right

1753
01:25:10,610 --> 01:25:07,140
first of all and looking around at the

1754
01:25:12,410 --> 01:25:10,620
guys and I'm I'm thinking I'm I'm okay I

1755
01:25:13,850 --> 01:25:12,420
have no fear these guys got their six

1756
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,860
shooters and then I thought no wait a

1757
01:25:18,110 --> 01:25:16,080
minute what am I saying to myself six

1758
01:25:21,470 --> 01:25:18,120
shooters against whatever this thing is

1759
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:21,480
that's got whatever ability it has uh if

1760
01:25:27,410 --> 01:25:24,239
it if it has the the intention of taking

1761
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:27,420
us away probing us and then eating us I

1762
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:28,560
mean no one would ever know whatever

1763
01:25:33,229 --> 01:25:31,679
happened to us right yeah and and this

1764
01:25:37,250 --> 01:25:33,239
was seven months

1765
01:25:39,709 --> 01:25:37,260
exactly seven months ahead of the Travis

1766
01:25:42,830 --> 01:25:39,719
Walton case in Arizona

1767
01:25:45,470 --> 01:25:42,840
and snowflake snowflake yeah one of my

1768
01:25:47,330 --> 01:25:45,480
favorite pictures that I have

1769
01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:47,340
um uh I'm not going to pull it up right

1770
01:25:50,810 --> 01:25:49,320
now but it's a picture of you and I with

1771
01:25:53,450 --> 01:25:50,820
uh who was the artist that did the

1772
01:25:55,550 --> 01:25:53,460
painting uh Dale Hendrickson yeah it's

1773
01:26:00,169 --> 01:25:55,560
the three of us right and we're holding

1774
01:26:01,790 --> 01:26:00,179
uh on both sides and and I remember

1775
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:01,800
um that day when we took that picture

1776
01:26:05,810 --> 01:26:03,840
and I'm looking at the painting and and

1777
01:26:08,209 --> 01:26:05,820
you were standing right there like man

1778
01:26:11,530 --> 01:26:08,219
that is just amazing because that's my

1779
01:26:15,649 --> 01:26:11,540
sighting I was like what I know

1780
01:26:18,169 --> 01:26:15,659
it is it is amazing uh the the other

1781
01:26:20,890 --> 01:26:18,179
main investigator who Alan heineck had

1782
01:26:23,870 --> 01:26:20,900
sent down there was was the late great

1783
01:26:25,970 --> 01:26:23,880
landing Trace expert Ted Phillips yeah

1784
01:26:28,430 --> 01:26:25,980
Ted's great uh and and that's that's

1785
01:26:31,070 --> 01:26:28,440
where I first met Ted and so Ted and I

1786
01:26:32,450 --> 01:26:31,080
both uh filed our own reports and they

1787
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,460
were it was later published through the

1788
01:26:37,790 --> 01:26:34,560
send a few UFO studies as the Lumberton

1789
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:37,800
UFO case how long did the entire siding

1790
01:26:43,490 --> 01:26:41,760
uh how long was it well from the first

1791
01:26:46,490 --> 01:26:43,500
from the moment we first saw the lights

1792
01:26:48,350 --> 01:26:46,500
above the trees then when it came to us

1793
01:26:50,570 --> 01:26:48,360
and then when it when the light went

1794
01:26:53,209 --> 01:26:50,580
back into it and and then the whole

1795
01:26:55,970 --> 01:26:53,219
thing turned like a bright amber color

1796
01:26:58,430 --> 01:26:55,980
and very slowly revolved about 45

1797
01:27:01,850 --> 01:26:58,440
degrees and then moved off very quickly

1798
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:01,860
so that that whole thing from beginning

1799
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,080
to end was maybe

1800
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,480
it's five six minutes at the most

1801
01:27:10,910 --> 01:27:08,880
and and then and then it went off and we

1802
01:27:12,290 --> 01:27:10,920
all got back into the cars keeping in

1803
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,300
touch with people and this thing was

1804
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,880
going to different counties and it was

1805
01:27:19,790 --> 01:27:17,040
showing itself it was it was just

1806
01:27:22,270 --> 01:27:19,800
showing off to other police officers

1807
01:27:26,030 --> 01:27:22,280
that were along the way

1808
01:27:29,209 --> 01:27:26,040
how do you over the years

1809
01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:29,219
um uh how do you unpack this uh because

1810
01:27:35,330 --> 01:27:32,100
you know where technology is today and

1811
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:35,340
you know what what the possibilities are

1812
01:27:40,490 --> 01:27:37,440
just terrestrial you know our own

1813
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:40,500
abilities to do things now sure uh but

1814
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:42,000
this was you know we're talking about

1815
01:27:49,310 --> 01:27:46,080
1975 right that's right 40 almost 50

1816
01:27:52,970 --> 01:27:49,320
years ago who had this technology this

1817
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:52,980
technology and so as you've unpacked it

1818
01:27:58,189 --> 01:27:55,199
do you think it was E.T and do you think

1819
01:28:00,649 --> 01:27:58,199
it was us oh I don't I don't I

1820
01:28:02,990 --> 01:28:00,659
absolutely don't think it was us right

1821
01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:03,000
but I'm not willing to go any further

1822
01:28:06,770 --> 01:28:04,860
than that because I mean obviously all

1823
01:28:08,750 --> 01:28:06,780
this talk in recent years about well

1824
01:28:10,370 --> 01:28:08,760
it's not our technology it must be

1825
01:28:11,810 --> 01:28:10,380
either Russia or Chinese you know

1826
01:28:14,689 --> 01:28:11,820
they're they're coming you know along

1827
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:14,699
with technology but now you know lately

1828
01:28:18,530 --> 01:28:16,800
in the last two three years we've been

1829
01:28:20,330 --> 01:28:18,540
told so many different things by the

1830
01:28:21,950 --> 01:28:20,340
Pentagon by the government the

1831
01:28:24,169 --> 01:28:21,960
Congressional meetings that have that

1832
01:28:27,649 --> 01:28:24,179
have happened that that yeah we're okay

1833
01:28:30,350 --> 01:28:27,659
fine this is not technology that we have

1834
01:28:32,510 --> 01:28:30,360
that nobody has but we're not willing to

1835
01:28:34,910 --> 01:28:32,520
go any further and saying what we think

1836
01:28:36,350 --> 01:28:34,920
it is but what we will do we'll form a

1837
01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:36,360
lot of different committees that are

1838
01:28:40,490 --> 01:28:37,500
going to look into this you know even

1839
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,500
NASA will will start investigating it on

1840
01:28:44,930 --> 01:28:42,480
its own and the Pentagon has a new thing

1841
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:44,940
and now the it's the UAP task force and

1842
01:28:49,090 --> 01:28:48,000
all these things and to kind of keep you

1843
01:28:51,470 --> 01:28:49,100
all

1844
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:51,480
unconcerned and unafraid that something

1845
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:54,480
is going on that we can't handle because

1846
01:29:00,169 --> 01:28:57,840
whatever this is it's operating in our

1847
01:29:04,430 --> 01:29:00,179
skies all over the planet

1848
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,440
even more so now and we we can't touch

1849
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:06,480
it at all we don't have the ability to

1850
01:29:14,270 --> 01:29:09,360
touch it were you able to see the back

1851
01:29:16,970 --> 01:29:14,280
of it no no because we it turned and so

1852
01:29:18,350 --> 01:29:16,980
at that point it was all amber color so

1853
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,360
we didn't see what it looked like from

1854
01:29:23,570 --> 01:29:20,400
the rear it just started going we get

1855
01:29:25,550 --> 01:29:23,580
quickly into the cars and among the

1856
01:29:28,129 --> 01:29:25,560
people that We Came Upon

1857
01:29:31,310 --> 01:29:28,139
um was a police chief big old rugged guy

1858
01:29:34,129 --> 01:29:31,320
uh police chief Gary Moore he was

1859
01:29:35,870 --> 01:29:34,139
sitting in his car on patrol and I and I

1860
01:29:37,250 --> 01:29:35,880
went over to him and I he knew I was

1861
01:29:39,410 --> 01:29:37,260
coming because we had been in touch

1862
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,420
through radio contact and I went over

1863
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:41,280
and introduced myself to him while he

1864
01:29:44,270 --> 01:29:43,199
was in the car and and I said so I

1865
01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:44,280
understand you had a little excitement

1866
01:29:49,010 --> 01:29:46,980
out here chief uh tell me what you saw

1867
01:29:51,229 --> 01:29:49,020
and he said I'm just sitting here eating

1868
01:29:52,970 --> 01:29:51,239
my sandwich and suddenly the whole

1869
01:29:55,310 --> 01:29:52,980
inside of the car lit up

1870
01:29:57,290 --> 01:29:55,320
uh and I I put my head out the window

1871
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:57,300
and I looked up at this thing and this

1872
01:30:02,209 --> 01:30:00,239
was what 1975 two years before Richard

1873
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:02,219
Dreyfuss did the same thing in his truck

1874
01:30:07,729 --> 01:30:06,000
in Close Encounters yeah right so I he

1875
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:07,739
said I looked up and there was this

1876
01:30:11,689 --> 01:30:09,840
thing parked in the sky right above me

1877
01:30:13,010 --> 01:30:11,699
and I said well what did you do he said

1878
01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:13,020
well I just reached in the back of the

1879
01:30:16,669 --> 01:30:15,420
car pulled out our we have these

1880
01:30:18,169 --> 01:30:16,679
official

1881
01:30:21,050 --> 01:30:18,179
um lanterns that we use for police

1882
01:30:21,770 --> 01:30:21,060
emergencies and I held it out of the

1883
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:21,780
window

1884
01:30:27,229 --> 01:30:25,199
held it up at the thing blinked at it

1885
01:30:28,729 --> 01:30:27,239
and it blinked back at me

1886
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:28,739
I said really

1887
01:30:31,490 --> 01:30:30,480
and did you do anything else he said

1888
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yeah

1889
01:30:36,290 --> 01:30:33,600
I blinked twice

1890
01:30:39,050 --> 01:30:36,300
and it blinked twice back at me and and

1891
01:30:41,810 --> 01:30:39,060
as if to say I'm done messing with you

1892
01:30:43,010 --> 01:30:41,820
it took off where it screwed around the

1893
01:30:46,189 --> 01:30:43,020
heads of a couple of other policemen

1894
01:30:49,490 --> 01:30:46,199
that I interviewed later on uh and and

1895
01:30:51,530 --> 01:30:49,500
it was like wow oh okay so all of my

1896
01:30:52,910 --> 01:30:51,540
initial doubts I remember telling Alan

1897
01:30:54,770 --> 01:30:52,920
heineck you know if I want to if I'm

1898
01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:54,780
gonna see something see I'd sort of like

1899
01:31:00,770 --> 01:30:56,760
to see a classic Flying Saucer you know

1900
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:00,780
circular Dome on top you know but okay

1901
01:31:06,530 --> 01:31:03,120
now now I'm really happy that I saw a

1902
01:31:09,770 --> 01:31:06,540
flying Dorito because I didn't know none

1903
01:31:12,910 --> 01:31:09,780
of us knew years later when David Marler

1904
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the great researcher David Marler

1905
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was writing his book called triangular

1906
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UFOs estimate of the situation he came

1907
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to the conclusion that our event in 1975

1908
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Lumberton North Carolina was the first

1909
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multiple witness

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well-documented case of a triangular UFO

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in America

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take our break right here our guest

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tonight the one and only Lee Spiegel

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this is faded black I remember Jimmy

1915
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church this is night number four

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of our Halloween

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extravaganza leading up to a week from

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this Monday the one-year anniversary of

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the NX Network I am your host Jimmy

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church we'll be right back after this

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welcome back faded black I'm Yours Jimmy

2045
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:20,390
tonight Lee Spiegel is with us and Lee

2046
01:38:29,149 --> 01:38:21,840
has

2047
01:38:31,250 --> 01:38:29,159
uh he's forgotten about more stuff than

2048
01:38:34,129 --> 01:38:31,260
than I know

2049
01:38:37,010 --> 01:38:34,139
um but Lee asked me and I I just want to

2050
01:38:40,189 --> 01:38:37,020
do this just for a second Lee because uh

2051
01:38:44,810 --> 01:38:40,199
we were talking earlier today and you

2052
01:38:51,290 --> 01:38:44,820
wanted to know about uh the the abados

2053
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:51,300
um yeah the infamous uh uh uh carving

2054
01:38:56,810 --> 01:38:53,760
um in abados and Lee was there it is

2055
01:38:58,490 --> 01:38:56,820
yeah Lee was referring to this

2056
01:39:00,530 --> 01:38:58,500
um so while I've got this up on the

2057
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:00,540
screen and I told Lee earlier I said

2058
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:03,840
okay I don't ask me now ask me what is

2059
01:39:08,689 --> 01:39:06,000
it uh that you wanted to talk about well

2060
01:39:11,810 --> 01:39:08,699
first of all I was I was surprised when

2061
01:39:14,510 --> 01:39:11,820
you eventually told me this was not a

2062
01:39:17,870 --> 01:39:14,520
hieroglyph or a carving that was among

2063
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:17,880
the more famous uh areas right there

2064
01:39:22,430 --> 01:39:20,159
near Cairo where the Sphinx is and the

2065
01:39:25,250 --> 01:39:22,440
pyramids are you told me you've got a

2066
01:39:27,530 --> 01:39:25,260
really it's like challenging to get to

2067
01:39:32,810 --> 01:39:27,540
where this thing is it's a big deal yeah

2068
01:39:36,530 --> 01:39:32,820
yeah so it's 500 Miles uh South yeah

2069
01:39:42,770 --> 01:39:36,540
um uh South actually directly south of

2070
01:39:45,229 --> 01:39:42,780
of of Cairo on the west uh West Bank of

2071
01:39:47,050 --> 01:39:45,239
the the Nile River if I have my bearings

2072
01:39:49,610 --> 01:39:47,060
correct yeah

2073
01:39:53,450 --> 01:39:49,620
the whole thing about this and I saw

2074
01:39:56,990 --> 01:39:53,460
this years ago and and as far as I know

2075
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:57,000
no one has ever debunked entirely that

2076
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,280
this was a fraud it was a hoax somebody

2077
01:40:03,530 --> 01:40:01,440
came along at some point years ago and

2078
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:03,540
decided to just put this up among other

2079
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:05,280
hieroglyphs because when you look at

2080
01:40:12,370 --> 01:40:09,600
this it seems to clearly show several

2081
01:40:14,110 --> 01:40:12,380
different modes of operation of of

2082
01:40:18,410 --> 01:40:14,120
aircraft

2083
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:18,420
watercraft yeah yeah yeah and so

2084
01:40:24,890 --> 01:40:22,320
um okay let me um uh so this appears to

2085
01:40:26,930 --> 01:40:24,900
be a helicopter right before you say let

2086
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:26,940
me ask you when when you first approach

2087
01:40:32,750 --> 01:40:30,239
this how high is this okay well but now

2088
01:40:35,629 --> 01:40:32,760
don't get ahead of your scheme okay

2089
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:35,639
because that's right that's exactly

2090
01:40:40,729 --> 01:40:38,400
where I was going yes so

2091
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:40,739
um uh so for everybody this appears to

2092
01:40:47,209 --> 01:40:42,960
be a helicopter looks like a Black Hawk

2093
01:40:49,310 --> 01:40:47,219
uh to me this appears to be I I always

2094
01:40:51,649 --> 01:40:49,320
thought it looked like a yacht but some

2095
01:40:54,169 --> 01:40:51,659
call it a tank and this is a turret with

2096
01:40:56,090 --> 01:40:54,179
a cannon but to me it always looks like

2097
01:40:58,430 --> 01:40:56,100
it faces the other way and this is the

2098
01:41:02,110 --> 01:40:58,440
front of the Hall of maybe this could be

2099
01:41:04,189 --> 01:41:02,120
a yacht or a ship and this looks like a

2100
01:41:06,530 --> 01:41:04,199
flying saw you know you've got a

2101
01:41:10,430 --> 01:41:06,540
stabilizer in the back you've got kind

2102
01:41:13,610 --> 01:41:10,440
of winged down here and and so these are

2103
01:41:16,010 --> 01:41:13,620
the three uh objects that Lee is talking

2104
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:16,020
about and so many have talked about over

2105
01:41:21,410 --> 01:41:19,199
the years now did so this is the thing

2106
01:41:24,050 --> 01:41:21,420
so when you walk into abados

2107
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,060
it's a ginormous Temple complex with a

2108
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:26,880
ceiling and these pillars and and this

2109
01:41:31,490 --> 01:41:29,760
dramatic entrance uh that you you know

2110
01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:31,500
you see all over at different Temple

2111
01:41:37,790 --> 01:41:34,500
sites all over Egypt so you walk in it's

2112
01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:37,800
probably a 30-foot door you know three

2113
01:41:41,209 --> 01:41:39,480
store that you know the same entrance

2114
01:41:43,609 --> 01:41:41,219
that you have in in all of these Temple

2115
01:41:46,910 --> 01:41:43,619
complexes you walk in and you go through

2116
01:41:49,609 --> 01:41:46,920
these uh into the entry hall and

2117
01:41:51,530 --> 01:41:49,619
immediately to your right uh there's

2118
01:41:54,530 --> 01:41:51,540
pillars all over the place you know

2119
01:41:58,250 --> 01:41:54,540
these giant pillars and and then there's

2120
01:42:00,290 --> 01:41:58,260
a main hallway that that goes uh across

2121
01:42:04,430 --> 01:42:00,300
the length of

2122
01:42:06,830 --> 01:42:04,440
um the temple so right there so when you

2123
01:42:09,169 --> 01:42:06,840
walk in you walk to the right

2124
01:42:10,910 --> 01:42:09,179
you step into the that little

2125
01:42:13,310 --> 01:42:10,920
intersection that's there you're in

2126
01:42:15,169 --> 01:42:13,320
between these two giant pillars and you

2127
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:15,179
look straight up it's right there at the

2128
01:42:19,609 --> 01:42:18,719
entrance and it's about 50 feet in the

2129
01:42:24,169 --> 01:42:19,619
air

2130
01:42:27,649 --> 01:42:24,179
um across the top of this uh uh so this

2131
01:42:30,530 --> 01:42:27,659
is coming down so like a truss a stone

2132
01:42:32,270 --> 01:42:30,540
truss anyway so this pillar goes up

2133
01:42:34,850 --> 01:42:32,280
that's right next to you now this is the

2134
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:34,860
trippy thing where

2135
01:42:40,490 --> 01:42:37,199
um so many have said you know a pharaoh

2136
01:42:42,530 --> 01:42:40,500
came in and decided to put his name all

2137
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:42,540
over you know and he redid this and

2138
01:42:48,169 --> 01:42:44,960
redid that okay this is where it's BS

2139
01:42:52,669 --> 01:42:48,179
right next to me I mean in my opinion

2140
01:42:56,270 --> 01:42:52,679
yeah right that is this giant pillar and

2141
01:42:58,250 --> 01:42:56,280
our egyptologist that is with us uh Shah

2142
01:43:01,129 --> 01:42:58,260
we're talking about this I'm looking I'm

2143
01:43:03,950 --> 01:43:01,139
taking the pictures and yeah it's way so

2144
01:43:06,109 --> 01:43:03,960
this this section

2145
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:06,119
um is probably that's 50 feet in the air

2146
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:07,280
it's probably

2147
01:43:14,270 --> 01:43:12,000
a eight feet long you know so from from

2148
01:43:16,490 --> 01:43:14,280
the back of the helicopter to the front

2149
01:43:19,729 --> 01:43:16,500
of this other ship this section right

2150
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:19,739
here is probably six or eight feet wide

2151
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:23,520
that helicopter is is probably three

2152
01:43:30,290 --> 01:43:27,440
feet in length all right so a mistake

2153
01:43:34,490 --> 01:43:30,300
okay so anyway she goes

2154
01:43:38,629 --> 01:43:34,500
that the pharaoh who they say

2155
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,639
is in that name in those hieroglyphs is

2156
01:43:42,770 --> 01:43:40,800
that guy right there and she points to

2157
01:43:45,470 --> 01:43:42,780
the pillar that's in front of me and

2158
01:43:47,810 --> 01:43:45,480
there's a Cartouche eye level I'm

2159
01:43:51,890 --> 01:43:47,820
looking at the Cartouche not above not

2160
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:51,900
below it's not tiny it's a Cartouche

2161
01:43:56,689 --> 01:43:53,760
that's probably a foot foot and a half

2162
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:56,699
tall with the pharaoh's name in it

2163
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:59,520
and I'm looking at the Cartouche I'm

2164
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:01,920
looking up I'm looking at the Cartouche

2165
01:44:05,930 --> 01:44:03,600
looking up

2166
01:44:08,350 --> 01:44:05,940
and they ain't the same they're not

2167
01:44:11,149 --> 01:44:08,360
there's you can't even like

2168
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:11,159
squinty-eyed and kind of imagine you

2169
01:44:15,470 --> 01:44:13,920
know and see the Sim no no no I don't

2170
01:44:19,010 --> 01:44:15,480
see it

2171
01:44:24,890 --> 01:44:19,020
um I think they I don't know what's in

2172
01:44:27,649 --> 01:44:24,900
this image uh lee but I I think that it

2173
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:27,659
is what it is and that it hasn't been

2174
01:44:32,689 --> 01:44:30,719
altered or or changed I don't think it's

2175
01:44:34,729 --> 01:44:32,699
anything modern

2176
01:44:37,070 --> 01:44:34,739
um that whole section of the wall is

2177
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:37,080
clean and pristine

2178
01:44:42,410 --> 01:44:40,080
um and and this is just part of it and

2179
01:44:43,970 --> 01:44:42,420
there you go it's it's now here's the

2180
01:44:45,770 --> 01:44:43,980
thing let me tell you what happened to

2181
01:44:48,890 --> 01:44:45,780
me

2182
01:44:51,169 --> 01:44:48,900
I wasn't told where it was

2183
01:44:54,890 --> 01:44:51,179
okay I'm standing there with everybody

2184
01:44:56,990 --> 01:44:54,900
else I was like I'm here in avados I

2185
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:57,000
wonder where I wonder where that

2186
01:45:02,750 --> 01:44:58,880
helicopter is

2187
01:45:05,870 --> 01:45:02,760
boom and my heart leaped out of my chest

2188
01:45:09,709 --> 01:45:05,880
yeah and I'm looking at it I'm like

2189
01:45:12,970 --> 01:45:09,719
damn yeah that's exactly what I thought

2190
01:45:15,950 --> 01:45:12,980
it was gonna be and this is my picture

2191
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:15,960
right off of my cell phone I took this

2192
01:45:20,330 --> 01:45:18,239
picture you know we've seen it so many

2193
01:45:24,410 --> 01:45:20,340
times over the years and when you see it

2194
01:45:27,770 --> 01:45:24,420
in person you yeah yeah it's a it's a

2195
01:45:29,930 --> 01:45:27,780
game changer for sure it is you know the

2196
01:45:31,310 --> 01:45:29,940
one uh the the item that you said that

2197
01:45:34,250 --> 01:45:31,320
looks like it could be a spaceship with

2198
01:45:35,570 --> 01:45:34,260
like the tail behind it if you look at

2199
01:45:37,370 --> 01:45:35,580
the center of it

2200
01:45:40,010 --> 01:45:37,380
off of it it looks like there could be

2201
01:45:42,649 --> 01:45:40,020
like four or five stairs possibly

2202
01:45:44,689 --> 01:45:42,659
leading up to it or down right here yeah

2203
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:44,699
you see that yeah yeah that's

2204
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:47,760
interesting yeah a little uh like they

2205
01:45:53,570 --> 01:45:49,679
roll up at the airports

2206
01:45:56,510 --> 01:45:53,580
and and so yeah before you even went to

2207
01:45:58,669 --> 01:45:56,520
Egypt Jimmy was this one of the things

2208
01:46:01,010 --> 01:45:58,679
you wanted to look at did you know about

2209
01:46:03,709 --> 01:46:01,020
this and said yes this is on the list of

2210
01:46:05,689 --> 01:46:03,719
what I want to see yeah certainly

2211
01:46:07,609 --> 01:46:05,699
um there are

2212
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:07,619
um you know there are hundreds of things

2213
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:10,320
that we want to go see in Egypt and I

2214
01:46:16,010 --> 01:46:13,199
didn't get to see everything but this

2215
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:16,020
was high on the list and

2216
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:19,440
um I honestly uh seriously

2217
01:46:26,510 --> 01:46:22,800
um I had such high expectations but I

2218
01:46:29,090 --> 01:46:26,520
also was uh talking about expectations I

2219
01:46:32,090 --> 01:46:29,100
was expecting somewhat of a letdown like

2220
01:46:36,709 --> 01:46:32,100
oh that's not the way oh I always

2221
01:46:40,609 --> 01:46:36,719
imagined it a little no no man it is

2222
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,619
Boom it's right there and it's perfect

2223
01:46:46,430 --> 01:46:42,800
it's perfect

2224
01:46:49,689 --> 01:46:46,440
what did they did the your egyptologist

2225
01:46:52,370 --> 01:46:49,699
guide tell you what the current

2226
01:46:54,890 --> 01:46:52,380
explanation is for what what you're

2227
01:46:57,530 --> 01:46:54,900
looking at here yes yes she did her name

2228
01:46:58,910 --> 01:46:57,540
was Shaw and it went in one ear and out

2229
01:47:02,209 --> 01:46:58,920
the other

2230
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:02,219
I I honestly I went back

2231
01:47:06,890 --> 01:47:05,280
um uh later on that night and I jumped

2232
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:06,900
on the internet

2233
01:47:12,649 --> 01:47:09,600
um I I think we were on our ship at that

2234
01:47:15,770 --> 01:47:12,659
point and I was in my in my cabin and

2235
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:15,780
and I jumped on and I went to go uh and

2236
01:47:19,850 --> 01:47:17,520
just checked this out for myself now

2237
01:47:22,609 --> 01:47:19,860
that I've seen it and I looked at the

2238
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:22,619
alterations and I looked at the the

2239
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:26,159
Orthodox explanation of this and man

2240
01:47:32,990 --> 01:47:30,000
it's just BS I I use clean language on

2241
01:47:35,390 --> 01:47:33,000
this show but but if I really wanted to

2242
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:35,400
say what I wanted to say

2243
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:38,639
um I think uh everybody would would get

2244
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:42,239
my passion on this it's it's nuts see

2245
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:44,880
here's the thing though

2246
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:47,040
um Lee and uh we were kind of talking

2247
01:47:51,410 --> 01:47:49,440
about this earlier about you know what

2248
01:47:54,290 --> 01:47:51,420
what did the Ancients know you know and

2249
01:47:58,010 --> 01:47:54,300
how long is this contact been going on

2250
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:58,020
right we all know about ancient

2251
01:48:04,729 --> 01:48:00,719
astronaut theory and Eric Von daniken

2252
01:48:06,890 --> 01:48:04,739
and the show ancient astronauts and and

2253
01:48:09,709 --> 01:48:06,900
um uh that's that's what it's called

2254
01:48:11,870 --> 01:48:09,719
right h m What's that show called well

2255
01:48:13,370 --> 01:48:11,880
Ancient Aliens Ancient Aliens ancient

2256
01:48:15,709 --> 01:48:13,380
astronauts yeah

2257
01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:15,719
um sorry sucralose I didn't mean it like

2258
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:19,760
that I didn't mean it like that in that

2259
01:48:24,649 --> 01:48:22,800
uh when you have something like the

2260
01:48:28,430 --> 01:48:24,659
Great Pyramid and the research behind it

2261
01:48:31,970 --> 01:48:28,440
who how it could be done in things it is

2262
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:31,980
it's a magnificent uh achievement it

2263
01:48:37,370 --> 01:48:34,560
really is but when you go around Egypt

2264
01:48:41,209 --> 01:48:37,380
and you see

2265
01:48:42,169 --> 01:48:41,219
um site after site after site that is so

2266
01:48:45,530 --> 01:48:42,179
big

2267
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:45,540
you know covering acres and acres and

2268
01:48:49,850 --> 01:48:47,520
Acres you know you go to Karnak you go

2269
01:48:52,189 --> 01:48:49,860
to kamambo you know you go to these

2270
01:48:55,370 --> 01:48:52,199
different sites you know dendara and and

2271
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:55,380
uh the Temple of Isis on phylate which

2272
01:49:01,669 --> 01:48:58,080
on philai island which takes up the

2273
01:49:03,950 --> 01:49:01,679
entire Island same amount of work

2274
01:49:05,810 --> 01:49:03,960
uh went into all of these sites that

2275
01:49:07,790 --> 01:49:05,820
went into the Great Pyramid it's the

2276
01:49:11,290 --> 01:49:07,800
same amount of time the same amount of

2277
01:49:14,750 --> 01:49:11,300
resources but you have to ask yourself

2278
01:49:18,669 --> 01:49:14,760
you know so many thousands of years ago

2279
01:49:23,390 --> 01:49:18,679
it's the the math and the engineering

2280
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:23,400
where did this information come from I'm

2281
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:25,920
not saying that aliens built these sites

2282
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:30,480
but there is a technical leap a leap of

2283
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:33,360
Technology uh that went into this that

2284
01:49:36,290 --> 01:49:34,800
the rest of the world wasn't going

2285
01:49:40,189 --> 01:49:36,300
through

2286
01:49:43,970 --> 01:49:40,199
um at that time and it it's you're a

2287
01:49:47,229 --> 01:49:43,980
scholar you're you're an educated man so

2288
01:49:50,510 --> 01:49:47,239
wrap your head around this

2289
01:49:52,490 --> 01:49:50,520
when these Temple sites were being built

2290
01:49:54,169 --> 01:49:52,500
when Giza was being built when those

2291
01:49:57,649 --> 01:49:54,179
pyramids were being built when the

2292
01:50:00,770 --> 01:49:57,659
Sphinx was being built the these vast

2293
01:50:03,530 --> 01:50:00,780
Temple complexes throughout Sakara in

2294
01:50:06,890 --> 01:50:03,540
the middle of the desert all all when

2295
01:50:10,209 --> 01:50:06,900
all of that was going on Greece

2296
01:50:16,129 --> 01:50:10,219
the center of democracy right philosophy

2297
01:50:21,050 --> 01:50:16,139
that didn't happen for 3 000 more years

2298
01:50:23,149 --> 01:50:21,060
3 000 years Rome before they built their

2299
01:50:25,129 --> 01:50:23,159
first mud hut

2300
01:50:27,890 --> 01:50:25,139
in Rome

2301
01:50:29,450 --> 01:50:27,900
the Egyptians were doing this 3 000

2302
01:50:33,229 --> 01:50:29,460
years before

2303
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:33,239
so how how did this knowledge come to

2304
01:50:41,629 --> 01:50:37,040
them right the engineering the the math

2305
01:50:43,250 --> 01:50:41,639
the the the the the the idea what where

2306
01:50:46,970 --> 01:50:43,260
did it come from

2307
01:50:48,290 --> 01:50:46,980
I I don't know but it it I it just I

2308
01:50:50,810 --> 01:50:48,300
don't think it just bursted into

2309
01:50:53,330 --> 01:50:50,820
somebody's mind one day you know let's

2310
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:53,340
build a 500 foot tall pyramid

2311
01:51:01,129 --> 01:50:56,400
you know no let's don't build one let's

2312
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:01,139
build 20. right and and if it it was

2313
01:51:06,830 --> 01:51:05,040
easy they did it because it was easy

2314
01:51:09,050 --> 01:51:06,840
um they knew how to do it and they had

2315
01:51:12,410 --> 01:51:09,060
the engineering and the idea from it

2316
01:51:14,270 --> 01:51:12,420
came from somewhere and that I believe

2317
01:51:16,970 --> 01:51:14,280
that we've been visited for a very long

2318
01:51:19,010 --> 01:51:16,980
time there's been knowledge

2319
01:51:21,950 --> 01:51:19,020
and visions that have been shared with

2320
01:51:26,030 --> 01:51:21,960
us and don't forget uh as they were

2321
01:51:28,129 --> 01:51:26,040
planning their their monuments to the

2322
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:28,139
gods or to whoever they probably also

2323
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,239
thought you know what and let's share

2324
01:51:36,590 --> 01:51:32,639
this information that we have with our

2325
01:51:39,290 --> 01:51:36,600
friends over in Central America that's a

2326
01:51:43,490 --> 01:51:39,300
hundred percent you know it's not just

2327
01:51:46,669 --> 01:51:43,500
Egypt right it's all over China

2328
01:51:49,490 --> 01:51:46,679
there's probably more bigger pyramids in

2329
01:51:51,709 --> 01:51:49,500
China than there are in Egypt and and

2330
01:51:53,689 --> 01:51:51,719
you had Central America you had the

2331
01:51:57,410 --> 01:51:53,699
Mayans you know look at the Temple of

2332
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:57,420
the Sun in Mexico City that is it is

2333
01:52:06,169 --> 01:52:01,199
tremendous and nearly identical in

2334
01:52:09,169 --> 01:52:06,179
design in size in scope in complexity

2335
01:52:12,410 --> 01:52:09,179
um and is it is it a coincidence that

2336
01:52:17,450 --> 01:52:12,420
these cultures had the same idea of

2337
01:52:19,850 --> 01:52:17,460
design right no I'm not yeah so the

2338
01:52:23,570 --> 01:52:19,860
story that I like to to remind people

2339
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:23,580
about it's very I like to quote from

2340
01:52:27,850 --> 01:52:25,199
things that have amazing information

2341
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:27,860
that wasn't just made up

2342
01:52:33,470 --> 01:52:32,159
and this is something that uh I came to

2343
01:52:35,530 --> 01:52:33,480
to have

2344
01:52:40,010 --> 01:52:35,540
because in the middle of

2345
01:52:43,310 --> 01:52:40,020
1978 When I Was preparing my United

2346
01:52:44,990 --> 01:52:43,320
Nations presentation and Alan heineck Dr

2347
01:52:48,649 --> 01:52:45,000
heineck was working with me very closely

2348
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:48,659
on this we were at his office in at

2349
01:52:52,669 --> 01:52:50,400
Northwestern University

2350
01:52:54,410 --> 01:52:52,679
and we had already gathered a few

2351
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:54,420
documents

2352
01:53:01,370 --> 01:52:59,760
UFOs in general and I said to him I said

2353
01:53:02,750 --> 01:53:01,380
you know Alan we've got a lot of good

2354
01:53:04,910 --> 01:53:02,760
stuff here we're going to we're going to

2355
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:04,920
put it all together in a packet we're

2356
01:53:09,590 --> 01:53:07,440
going to give it to Every Nation later

2357
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:09,600
this year at the um we're also going to

2358
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:11,760
have enough packets to go along to go

2359
01:53:15,290 --> 01:53:13,679
around to all members of the press who

2360
01:53:17,090 --> 01:53:15,300
will be there at the press conference

2361
01:53:20,750 --> 01:53:17,100
when we do this

2362
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:20,760
so I I have to ask you you were the

2363
01:53:25,609 --> 01:53:22,800
scientific consultant to Project Blue

2364
01:53:27,770 --> 01:53:25,619
Book for more than 20 years you were the

2365
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:27,780
guy who the Air Force would send to

2366
01:53:34,129 --> 01:53:30,080
different locations and it was your job

2367
01:53:37,490 --> 01:53:34,139
to explain away things like what what

2368
01:53:39,410 --> 01:53:37,500
landed in Dexter Michigan in 1966 or 67

2369
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:39,420
and he would come up with something like

2370
01:53:43,550 --> 01:53:41,040
well it could have been probably the

2371
01:53:46,669 --> 01:53:43,560
result of swamp gas and and he never

2372
01:53:48,290 --> 01:53:46,679
lived that kind of statement down but he

2373
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:48,300
stuck with it because he also was able

2374
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:50,880
to get his hands on things because of

2375
01:53:57,530 --> 01:53:53,760
his clearance his security clearance

2376
01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:57,540
ability so I said I said to him I've got

2377
01:54:00,649 --> 01:53:58,800
to believe that in all the years that

2378
01:54:03,470 --> 01:54:00,659
you spent working with the Air Force

2379
01:54:05,689 --> 01:54:03,480
having access to their files that you

2380
01:54:09,229 --> 01:54:05,699
had to get your fingers on something

2381
01:54:12,350 --> 01:54:09,239
that I would consider a Smoking Gun

2382
01:54:14,750 --> 01:54:12,360
and he said and he said well and he and

2383
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:14,760
he walked over to one of his filing

2384
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,280
cabinets pulled out to open the drawer

2385
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:19,440
reached in pulled out a manila envelope

2386
01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:22,560
and as he handed it to me he said I

2387
01:54:27,470 --> 01:54:24,719
don't know if you would consider this a

2388
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:27,480
smoking gun but if you like what's in

2389
01:54:32,570 --> 01:54:30,239
this I will give you permission you can

2390
01:54:35,149 --> 01:54:32,580
make a few copies of it and we can hand

2391
01:54:35,990 --> 01:54:35,159
it out at the United Nations later this

2392
01:54:38,570 --> 01:54:36,000
year

2393
01:54:41,209 --> 01:54:38,580
are you kidding a few copies I made a

2394
01:54:44,270 --> 01:54:41,219
gazillion copies of this because once I

2395
01:54:45,890 --> 01:54:44,280
saw what was in this envelope I I knew I

2396
01:54:47,870 --> 01:54:45,900
mean it's not like I sat there and said

2397
01:54:49,790 --> 01:54:47,880
you know we don't have any internet yet

2398
01:54:53,629 --> 01:54:49,800
no well we didn't have any internet yet

2399
01:54:55,729 --> 01:54:53,639
how could I get this out to the masses

2400
01:54:57,530 --> 01:54:55,739
into the media and he said I can make a

2401
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:57,540
lot of copies and we did and in this

2402
01:55:05,149 --> 01:54:59,760
packet that we put together for the U.N

2403
01:55:08,810 --> 01:55:05,159
was a a lengthy chapter from uh a book

2404
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:08,820
back in 1968 at the Air Force Academy in

2405
01:55:14,510 --> 01:55:11,520
Colorado Springs one of the reading

2406
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:14,520
materials that was offered to Air Force

2407
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:17,280
Cadets those who are our future military

2408
01:55:22,970 --> 01:55:21,119
leaders it was a startling chapter in a

2409
01:55:25,310 --> 01:55:22,980
textbook called introductory space

2410
01:55:27,950 --> 01:55:25,320
science part of the Department of

2411
01:55:30,609 --> 01:55:27,960
physics for the United States Air Force

2412
01:55:34,189 --> 01:55:30,619
chapter 33 was simply titled

2413
01:55:36,590 --> 01:55:34,199
unidentified flying objects and it was

2414
01:55:39,590 --> 01:55:36,600
not published material it was only

2415
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:39,600
available to and for the eyes only of

2416
01:55:43,070 --> 01:55:42,239
the cadets at the Academy for them to

2417
01:55:46,729 --> 01:55:43,080
read

2418
01:55:48,109 --> 01:55:46,739
and and if if you'd like let me give you

2419
01:55:50,990 --> 01:55:48,119
can I quote from a couple of the

2420
01:55:53,090 --> 01:55:51,000
excerpts of what they what they said to

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01:55:55,310 --> 01:55:53,100
the cadets let's go what are you wasting

2422
01:55:57,649 --> 01:55:55,320
time for why do you have to ask let's go

2423
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:57,659
what we will do here is to present

2424
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:59,520
evidence that UFOs

2425
01:56:05,149 --> 01:56:01,920
are a global phenomenon which may have

2426
01:56:08,090 --> 01:56:05,159
persisted for many thousands of years

2427
01:56:10,250 --> 01:56:08,100
UFO sightings not only appear to extend

2428
01:56:14,510 --> 01:56:10,260
back 47

2429
01:56:16,850 --> 01:56:14,520
000 years through time okay but also are

2430
01:56:19,609 --> 01:56:16,860
Global in nature one has the feeling

2431
01:56:23,090 --> 01:56:19,619
that this phenomenon deserves some sort

2432
01:56:25,310 --> 01:56:23,100
of valid scientific investigation the

2433
01:56:28,250 --> 01:56:25,320
most stimulating theory for us is that

2434
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:28,260
the UFOs are material objects which are

2435
01:56:33,050 --> 01:56:30,719
either manned or remote controlled by

2436
01:56:35,810 --> 01:56:33,060
beings who are alien to this planet

2437
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:35,820
there is some evidence supporting this

2438
01:56:41,629 --> 01:56:39,360
Viewpoint why no contact we may be the

2439
01:56:45,109 --> 01:56:41,639
object of intensive sociological and

2440
01:56:48,050 --> 01:56:45,119
psychological study you do not contact a

2441
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:48,060
colony of ants and humans may seem that

2442
01:56:53,209 --> 01:56:51,360
way to any aliens the available data

2443
01:56:54,410 --> 01:56:53,219
leaves us with the unpleasant

2444
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:54,420
possibility

2445
01:57:00,890 --> 01:56:57,119
of alien visitors to our planet or at

2446
01:57:03,410 --> 01:57:00,900
least of alien controlled UFOs what

2447
01:57:06,050 --> 01:57:03,420
questionable data there are suggests the

2448
01:57:09,590 --> 01:57:06,060
existence of at least three and maybe

2449
01:57:12,350 --> 01:57:09,600
four different groups of aliens possibly

2450
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:12,360
at different stages of development it

2451
01:57:17,209 --> 01:57:14,400
implies the existence of intelligent

2452
01:57:19,609 --> 01:57:17,219
life on a majority of the planets in our

2453
01:57:21,950 --> 01:57:19,619
solar system or a surprisingly strong

2454
01:57:25,490 --> 01:57:21,960
interest in Earth by members of other

2455
01:57:27,709 --> 01:57:25,500
solar systems end quote and and

2456
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:27,719
throughout this chapter they cite

2457
01:57:32,870 --> 01:57:29,760
example after example after example

2458
01:57:34,250 --> 01:57:32,880
going back into ancient Chinese uh

2459
01:57:37,250 --> 01:57:34,260
stories

2460
01:57:38,990 --> 01:57:37,260
um of where humans saw things that were

2461
01:57:41,570 --> 01:57:39,000
happening in the skies and had some kind

2462
01:57:43,790 --> 01:57:41,580
of interaction with beings that were

2463
01:57:45,770 --> 01:57:43,800
part of this you see this stuff in the

2464
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:45,780
Bible so to answer your earlier question

2465
01:57:50,330 --> 01:57:48,480
is where did all these people get this

2466
01:57:52,729 --> 01:57:50,340
kind of information well if the Air

2467
01:57:55,250 --> 01:57:52,739
Force was telling the cadets in this

2468
01:57:57,169 --> 01:57:55,260
chapter that UFOs have been around for

2469
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:57,179
almost 50 000 years well that's kind of

2470
01:58:02,390 --> 01:57:59,760
a partial answer to your question yes it

2471
01:58:04,609 --> 01:58:02,400
is and uh I've got two minutes before

2472
01:58:06,649 --> 01:58:04,619
the break yeah let's let's pick that

2473
01:58:09,770 --> 01:58:06,659
apart for a second

2474
01:58:12,109 --> 01:58:09,780
um 47 000 years is strangely

2475
01:58:16,189 --> 01:58:12,119
specifically

2476
01:58:19,370 --> 01:58:16,199
they they chose specific uh points of

2477
01:58:22,010 --> 01:58:19,380
historic reference and and stories that

2478
01:58:24,530 --> 01:58:22,020
were in ancient Indian books uh of

2479
01:58:28,070 --> 01:58:24,540
encounters and and instances where

2480
01:58:32,030 --> 01:58:28,080
people saw things or in in fact involved

2481
01:58:34,970 --> 01:58:32,040
to some degree with the occupants uh and

2482
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:34,980
and the question is why was the Air

2483
01:58:42,050 --> 01:58:37,440
Force even alluding to this to their

2484
01:58:44,870 --> 01:58:42,060
Cadets in 1968 and is is it just a

2485
01:58:48,470 --> 01:58:44,880
coincidence that a few months later in

2486
01:58:51,350 --> 01:58:48,480
1969 the Air Force decided to close

2487
01:58:53,930 --> 01:58:51,360
Project Blue Book wow is that a

2488
01:58:57,410 --> 01:58:53,940
coincidence now then and then they took

2489
01:58:59,330 --> 01:58:57,420
this chapter they revised it and then

2490
01:59:02,030 --> 01:58:59,340
they put it back into the book for a

2491
01:59:04,910 --> 01:59:02,040
while so that it didn't have a lot of

2492
01:59:06,890 --> 01:59:04,920
the meat and guts of the original and

2493
01:59:08,629 --> 01:59:06,900
Alan heineck gave me this chapter and I

2494
01:59:11,629 --> 01:59:08,639
remember I was reading it and I said

2495
01:59:13,490 --> 01:59:11,639
Alan we're the and what the how did you

2496
01:59:15,350 --> 01:59:13,500
get this and all that he would say to me

2497
01:59:17,450 --> 01:59:15,360
was you don't need to know the story

2498
01:59:19,250 --> 01:59:17,460
behind it but if you like this we can

2499
01:59:21,709 --> 01:59:19,260
give it away in a few months at the at

2500
01:59:24,229 --> 01:59:21,719
the United Nations and I couldn't find a

2501
01:59:26,149 --> 01:59:24,239
copy machine fast enough to make so many

2502
01:59:27,530 --> 01:59:26,159
copies because then I again I didn't

2503
01:59:28,850 --> 01:59:27,540
know that we were about to have this

2504
01:59:31,070 --> 01:59:28,860
thing called the internet I couldn't

2505
01:59:31,970 --> 01:59:31,080
post it anywhere there was no place to

2506
01:59:36,770 --> 01:59:31,980
post

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01:59:39,669 --> 01:59:36,780
you know uh really quick uh I've got 60

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01:59:43,550 --> 01:59:39,679
seconds so it could be the least Spiegel

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01:59:46,370 --> 01:59:43,560
Abridged version of the answer uh why

2510
01:59:48,530 --> 01:59:46,380
why Grenada right it wasn't the United

2511
01:59:50,810 --> 01:59:48,540
Kingdom it wasn't it wasn't even you

2512
01:59:55,490 --> 01:59:50,820
know Mexico Brazil I don't need 60

2513
01:59:58,490 --> 01:59:55,500
seconds in 1978 Grenada was the only

2514
02:00:01,370 --> 01:59:58,500
game in town right the only it was the

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02:00:02,930 --> 02:00:01,380
only country that I could go to and see

2516
02:00:04,970 --> 02:00:02,940
if they'd be interested in sponsoring my

2517
02:00:07,550 --> 02:00:04,980
proposal because their prime minister

2518
02:00:09,770 --> 02:00:07,560
was making some headlines talking about

2519
02:00:13,430 --> 02:00:09,780
how he wanted the United Nations to form

2520
02:00:16,189 --> 02:00:13,440
an international study of UFOs and I

2521
02:00:19,010 --> 02:00:16,199
became friendly with his ambassadors and

2522
02:00:20,930 --> 02:00:19,020
then him over a handshake deal they

2523
02:00:23,390 --> 02:00:20,940
proposed The Proposal that I submitted

2524
02:00:25,010 --> 02:00:23,400
became reality but there was no other

2525
02:00:25,970 --> 02:00:25,020
country that I could Approach at that

2526
02:00:28,189 --> 02:00:25,980
point

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02:00:30,169 --> 02:00:28,199
our guest tonight the one and only Lee

2528
02:00:32,030 --> 02:00:30,179
Spiegel this is Fade to Black I'm Yours

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02:00:34,510 --> 02:00:32,040
Jimmy Church we're going to continue

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02:00:37,250 --> 02:00:34,520
this discussion after this short break

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02:04:18,470 --> 02:04:16,860
Welcome Back Fade to Black coming to see

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02:04:23,089 --> 02:04:18,480
me Church

2595
02:04:25,729 --> 02:04:23,099
tonight Lee Spiegel is with us

2596
02:04:28,010 --> 02:04:25,739
here's the thing with Lee

2597
02:04:30,649 --> 02:04:28,020
I'm Muriel Simi church I'm a game

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02:04:32,870 --> 02:04:30,659
changer in NX networks this is Fade to

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02:04:35,209 --> 02:04:32,880
Black picking up this is the thing about

2600
02:04:39,350 --> 02:04:35,219
Lee I I can talk

2601
02:04:41,390 --> 02:04:39,360
about whatever right and and we're gonna

2602
02:04:44,169 --> 02:04:41,400
watch this this is how we change gears

2603
02:04:48,830 --> 02:04:44,179
oh lee oh okay

2604
02:04:51,109 --> 02:04:48,840
you um because uh now you're the you're

2605
02:04:53,570 --> 02:04:51,119
the editor of unex magazine you've at

2606
02:04:56,270 --> 02:04:53,580
The Huffington Post uh what seems like

2607
02:04:58,550 --> 02:04:56,280
forever I'll never forget that day I got

2608
02:05:01,189 --> 02:04:58,560
the phone call hey Jimmy this is Lee

2609
02:05:03,229 --> 02:05:01,199
Spiegel with the compost uh can I get a

2610
02:05:08,209 --> 02:05:03,239
quote from you I'm like dude I've

2611
02:05:11,629 --> 02:05:08,219
arrived so um but here's the thing

2612
02:05:13,310 --> 02:05:11,639
last week over the weekend uh and going

2613
02:05:15,310 --> 02:05:13,320
into last week but it kicked off today

2614
02:05:19,070 --> 02:05:15,320
NASA announces

2615
02:05:20,830 --> 02:05:19,080
uh their uh formation of the study group

2616
02:05:23,109 --> 02:05:20,840
into UFOs

2617
02:05:25,970 --> 02:05:23,119
and today

2618
02:05:29,530 --> 02:05:25,980
that group went to work the study

2619
02:05:33,530 --> 02:05:29,540
started this morning they've got uh 16

2620
02:05:35,870 --> 02:05:33,540
intellectuals from uh all different uh

2621
02:05:40,629 --> 02:05:35,880
aspects of uh

2622
02:05:45,410 --> 02:05:40,639
uh I almost said uh intelligence of

2623
02:05:49,010 --> 02:05:45,420
uh but uh you know very very accredited

2624
02:05:52,189 --> 02:05:49,020
individuals uh from uh everything from

2625
02:05:54,830 --> 02:05:52,199
geography to even almost philosophy

2626
02:05:56,570 --> 02:05:54,840
right all the way over to uh we've got

2627
02:05:59,030 --> 02:05:56,580
an astronaut and I'm glad they have

2628
02:06:01,550 --> 02:05:59,040
Scott Kelly on This Crew

2629
02:06:04,010 --> 02:06:01,560
um and NASA's reputation inside of our

2630
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:04,020
community right never a straight answer

2631
02:06:10,070 --> 02:06:06,719
and and and they've never been truthful

2632
02:06:13,609 --> 02:06:10,080
with us about about anything

2633
02:06:17,570 --> 02:06:13,619
um Bill Nelson uh who is the

2634
02:06:20,030 --> 02:06:17,580
administrator that's his technical title

2635
02:06:22,010 --> 02:06:20,040
um he runs NASA so we could call him the

2636
02:06:24,770 --> 02:06:22,020
director but they for some reason he's

2637
02:06:27,109 --> 02:06:24,780
got this title of administrator Bill

2638
02:06:29,570 --> 02:06:27,119
Nelson has has had an extreme interest

2639
02:06:33,169 --> 02:06:29,580
in this subject

2640
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:33,179
um what do you what do you expect uh

2641
02:06:39,770 --> 02:06:37,920
from this study and and uh there's some

2642
02:06:42,649 --> 02:06:39,780
other I've got some other points that

2643
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:42,659
were revealed today about where they're

2644
02:06:47,870 --> 02:06:44,400
getting their research from but what do

2645
02:06:50,930 --> 02:06:47,880
you expect from this this NASA study I

2646
02:06:52,729 --> 02:06:50,940
think it's a it's it's a step in the

2647
02:06:55,010 --> 02:06:52,739
right direction because now it's our

2648
02:06:57,950 --> 02:06:55,020
space agency that's taking an interest

2649
02:06:59,990 --> 02:06:57,960
where for years they would never want to

2650
02:07:01,970 --> 02:07:00,000
talk about UFOs just like the city

2651
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:01,980
Institute doesn't like to talk about

2652
02:07:08,270 --> 02:07:05,280
UFOs except in a negative way uh and so

2653
02:07:10,970 --> 02:07:08,280
now the space agency is is now going to

2654
02:07:13,129 --> 02:07:10,980
start looking into these things from a

2655
02:07:16,970 --> 02:07:13,139
variety of angles with a with a variety

2656
02:07:20,930 --> 02:07:16,980
of experts the thing that I've been most

2657
02:07:24,890 --> 02:07:20,940
impressed by recently in addition to

2658
02:07:27,410 --> 02:07:24,900
NASA making that announcement is boy we

2659
02:07:31,070 --> 02:07:27,420
are at a point now like never before

2660
02:07:33,589 --> 02:07:31,080
there was a time when if an airline

2661
02:07:36,589 --> 02:07:33,599
pilot for example a commercial airline

2662
02:07:39,229 --> 02:07:36,599
pilot or a military jet fighter pilot

2663
02:07:40,970 --> 02:07:39,239
had an encounter with something and they

2664
02:07:42,649 --> 02:07:40,980
wanted to report it and they were not

2665
02:07:45,290 --> 02:07:42,659
allowed to do that

2666
02:07:48,109 --> 02:07:45,300
well that's changing that has just

2667
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:48,119
changed and just in the last

2668
02:07:54,109 --> 02:07:51,360
a few weeks but even more specifically

2669
02:07:57,229 --> 02:07:54,119
uh in in major Media news organizations

2670
02:07:59,870 --> 02:07:57,239
in our reporting with Pilots now

2671
02:08:03,410 --> 02:07:59,880
describing encounters that they're

2672
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:03,420
having with lights in the sky that that

2673
02:08:09,290 --> 02:08:07,440
are doing really bizarre Maneuvers and

2674
02:08:11,810 --> 02:08:09,300
just just the other day uh The Today

2675
02:08:13,729 --> 02:08:11,820
Show did a whole piece on it and CNN has

2676
02:08:16,310 --> 02:08:13,739
this reported on it there was one

2677
02:08:18,109 --> 02:08:16,320
encounter that involved UFOs are now

2678
02:08:20,209 --> 02:08:18,119
displaying themselves they want to be

2679
02:08:22,729 --> 02:08:20,219
seen and so they're showing themselves

2680
02:08:26,810 --> 02:08:22,739
to pilots and they're they're doing

2681
02:08:28,910 --> 02:08:26,820
circular maneuvers uh like dots of light

2682
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:28,920
and then they would stop and then they

2683
02:08:34,250 --> 02:08:30,719
would go in the other direction in a

2684
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:34,260
circular pattern and One Pilot had had

2685
02:08:37,970 --> 02:08:36,239
recently said that while they were

2686
02:08:41,450 --> 02:08:37,980
watching this they noticed that from

2687
02:08:43,070 --> 02:08:41,460
above there was a meteor coming down and

2688
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:43,080
and it looked like it was going to go

2689
02:08:49,010 --> 02:08:45,599
like straight through the group of a

2690
02:08:51,890 --> 02:08:49,020
circular pattern UFOs no it wasn't a

2691
02:08:54,229 --> 02:08:51,900
meteor it stopped where the pattern was

2692
02:08:57,709 --> 02:08:54,239
and it joined the other ones to continue

2693
02:09:00,229 --> 02:08:57,719
the pattern away whoa what is this this

2694
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:00,239
is something new and the pilots are

2695
02:09:06,890 --> 02:09:03,360
being allowed to say these things and to

2696
02:09:10,070 --> 02:09:06,900
be very very forceful and and truthful

2697
02:09:13,850 --> 02:09:10,080
and you want to believe them because you

2698
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:13,860
know that we entrust our safety to to

2699
02:09:19,490 --> 02:09:16,800
these professionals and so we're at a

2700
02:09:22,129 --> 02:09:19,500
point now historically our space agency

2701
02:09:23,450 --> 02:09:22,139
is going to look into it but what is it

2702
02:09:25,250 --> 02:09:23,460
that they're going to look into but the

2703
02:09:27,589 --> 02:09:25,260
pilots are now giving us things that are

2704
02:09:30,050 --> 02:09:27,599
more immediate this is what we just saw

2705
02:09:33,649 --> 02:09:30,060
on our flight from you know East Coast

2706
02:09:36,410 --> 02:09:33,659
to West Coast we can't deny that they're

2707
02:09:39,169 --> 02:09:36,420
coming forward and many of these Pilots

2708
02:09:44,209 --> 02:09:39,179
are former military jet fighter pilots

2709
02:09:46,970 --> 02:09:44,219
as well yeah it's amazing yeah I um I

2710
02:09:49,490 --> 02:09:46,980
have a a when I say a friend this is

2711
02:09:51,709 --> 02:09:49,500
somebody that I grew up with right now

2712
02:09:53,629 --> 02:09:51,719
I'm not going to say his last name just

2713
02:09:56,810 --> 02:09:53,639
out of respect but his first name is

2714
02:09:59,629 --> 02:09:56,820
Steve and Steve and I play guitar when

2715
02:10:02,089 --> 02:09:59,639
we were teenagers right uh never had a

2716
02:10:04,910 --> 02:10:02,099
band but his brother was a drummer and

2717
02:10:08,870 --> 02:10:04,920
that's how long I've known him all right

2718
02:10:12,109 --> 02:10:08,880
a very long time he is now uh a full-on

2719
02:10:15,229 --> 02:10:12,119
captain uh for one of the big carriers

2720
02:10:16,910 --> 02:10:15,239
he's a he's a pilot and when we were

2721
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:16,920
growing up

2722
02:10:23,689 --> 02:10:19,920
um he was taking flying lessons this is

2723
02:10:26,209 --> 02:10:23,699
in high school and um and that was his

2724
02:10:29,149 --> 02:10:26,219
dream right that's so he went on to

2725
02:10:32,270 --> 02:10:29,159
become a commercial pilot

2726
02:10:34,550 --> 02:10:32,280
um back when the Malibu underwater base

2727
02:10:38,149 --> 02:10:34,560
story broke and I think you remember

2728
02:10:40,790 --> 02:10:38,159
that we did work together on that

2729
02:10:43,250 --> 02:10:40,800
um he he calls me up

2730
02:10:44,810 --> 02:10:43,260
and says you know I just saw you on ABC

2731
02:10:46,310 --> 02:10:44,820
News

2732
02:10:49,970 --> 02:10:46,320
um and he said

2733
02:10:52,669 --> 02:10:49,980
I've got a plane let's go fly over the

2734
02:10:55,370 --> 02:10:52,679
Malibu base all right so that's not the

2735
02:10:57,229 --> 02:10:55,380
story the story is this so now him and I

2736
02:10:59,990 --> 02:10:57,239
are in this private plane we take off

2737
02:11:01,850 --> 02:11:00,000
and we're flying over uh the Pacific and

2738
02:11:04,310 --> 02:11:01,860
I go dude

2739
02:11:07,310 --> 02:11:04,320
ever see a UFO

2740
02:11:09,589 --> 02:11:07,320
and he goes yes

2741
02:11:11,510 --> 02:11:09,599
and I've never told the story on the air

2742
02:11:13,370 --> 02:11:11,520
and

2743
02:11:15,589 --> 02:11:13,380
um Steve if you're listening man I'm not

2744
02:11:17,570 --> 02:11:15,599
throwing you under the bus I don't want

2745
02:11:19,669 --> 02:11:17,580
to jeopardize your job but now you can

2746
02:11:23,870 --> 02:11:19,679
talk about these things this is what he

2747
02:11:29,089 --> 02:11:23,880
tells me Lee he says I'm flying

2748
02:11:30,709 --> 02:11:29,099
a commercial plane and off to my left I

2749
02:11:33,950 --> 02:11:30,719
see a light

2750
02:11:36,770 --> 02:11:33,960
and I look it's during the day and he

2751
02:11:39,350 --> 02:11:36,780
said this is how he describes it it's a

2752
02:11:41,510 --> 02:11:39,360
white ball of light coming towards the

2753
02:11:45,470 --> 02:11:41,520
aircraft really fast

2754
02:11:47,410 --> 02:11:45,480
and he said as he starts to react he's

2755
02:11:50,330 --> 02:11:47,420
got a co-pilot they're both watching it

2756
02:11:52,790 --> 02:11:50,340
it was huge

2757
02:11:55,669 --> 02:11:52,800
and it passed underneath the nose of the

2758
02:11:57,410 --> 02:11:55,679
aircraft and took off to the right and

2759
02:12:01,450 --> 02:11:57,420
disappeared

2760
02:12:06,589 --> 02:12:01,460
I said what he goes dude I don't know

2761
02:12:09,290 --> 02:12:06,599
what I'm just telling you what happened

2762
02:12:11,689 --> 02:12:09,300
it was a white ball of light it was a

2763
02:12:14,450 --> 02:12:11,699
pins and and it just came straight at us

2764
02:12:16,370 --> 02:12:14,460
I thought it was going to hit us went

2765
02:12:17,930 --> 02:12:16,380
underneath the nose of the aircraft and

2766
02:12:21,709 --> 02:12:17,940
I said how big was he because when it

2767
02:12:23,750 --> 02:12:21,719
got to us it was just a ginormous white

2768
02:12:26,870 --> 02:12:23,760
ball of light when underneath the

2769
02:12:30,649 --> 02:12:26,880
aircraft and went that way now this is

2770
02:12:34,010 --> 02:12:30,659
this is not somebody on

2771
02:12:36,410 --> 02:12:34,020
The Today Show this is not you know

2772
02:12:40,609 --> 02:12:36,420
something I've read and this is a friend

2773
02:12:43,609 --> 02:12:40,619
of mine talking about you know somebody

2774
02:12:45,470 --> 02:12:43,619
that I know and trust he's also flying

2775
02:12:50,569 --> 02:12:45,480
the plane that I'm in at that moment too

2776
02:12:53,569 --> 02:12:50,579
as well and uh and I I just I I didn't

2777
02:12:57,649 --> 02:12:53,579
know how to process it and and he didn't

2778
02:12:59,450 --> 02:12:57,659
have anything else for me on that oh

2779
02:13:02,810 --> 02:12:59,460
um except I said

2780
02:13:05,510 --> 02:13:02,820
did you see it on radar he said no

2781
02:13:08,030 --> 02:13:05,520
it wasn't on our radar and I said did

2782
02:13:10,629 --> 02:13:08,040
you call it in he goes no man oh okay

2783
02:13:13,729 --> 02:13:10,639
and he said actually it happened so fast

2784
02:13:15,470 --> 02:13:13,739
we thought about calling it in saying

2785
02:13:17,510 --> 02:13:15,480
there's something flying around just in

2786
02:13:20,689 --> 02:13:17,520
case he said but it wasn't on the radar

2787
02:13:22,669 --> 02:13:20,699
and we just let it go yeah

2788
02:13:24,890 --> 02:13:22,679
maybe one day I'll get him on the air

2789
02:13:27,169 --> 02:13:24,900
and he can share that story again and

2790
02:13:29,810 --> 02:13:27,179
and those are the stories that they're

2791
02:13:32,810 --> 02:13:29,820
they're now feeling more comfortable

2792
02:13:35,270 --> 02:13:32,820
talking about because it's not just the

2793
02:13:36,890 --> 02:13:35,280
encounter that the pilots have with

2794
02:13:38,149 --> 02:13:36,900
these things if you're flying a

2795
02:13:40,790 --> 02:13:38,159
commercial aircraft you've got

2796
02:13:42,169 --> 02:13:40,800
passengers on board and they're going to

2797
02:13:43,609 --> 02:13:42,179
be a number of people who will probably

2798
02:13:45,589 --> 02:13:43,619
see the same thing and wondering what

2799
02:13:49,069 --> 02:13:45,599
the hell is happening are we safe up

2800
02:13:50,930 --> 02:13:49,079
here what won't the airlines want to say

2801
02:13:53,149 --> 02:13:50,940
something to get the public to want to

2802
02:13:56,569 --> 02:13:53,159
continue to fly the friendly skies I

2803
02:14:00,169 --> 02:13:56,579
mean you know right it's like how how

2804
02:14:03,470 --> 02:14:00,179
does how does business industry handle

2805
02:14:04,430 --> 02:14:03,480
that uh because if the if the can you

2806
02:14:08,510 --> 02:14:04,440
imagine

2807
02:14:10,970 --> 02:14:08,520
if the airline industry made some kind

2808
02:14:13,550 --> 02:14:10,980
of an announcement well folks we we just

2809
02:14:17,209 --> 02:14:13,560
want you to know that in these times of

2810
02:14:19,609 --> 02:14:17,219
uncertainty uh many of our aircraft and

2811
02:14:22,010 --> 02:14:19,619
pilots and crew and passengers are

2812
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:22,020
reporting encounters with things that

2813
02:14:26,750 --> 02:14:24,000
are approaching our aircraft and we

2814
02:14:29,629 --> 02:14:26,760
don't know what these things are but so

2815
02:14:31,729 --> 02:14:29,639
far uh there have been no uh thing

2816
02:14:34,490 --> 02:14:31,739
there's been nothing that has been of a

2817
02:14:37,310 --> 02:14:34,500
danger to anybody but can you convince

2818
02:14:39,229 --> 02:14:37,320
the public to to not think that there

2819
02:14:41,629 --> 02:14:39,239
might be danger for something like this

2820
02:14:43,850 --> 02:14:41,639
and you're scaring people by pretty much

2821
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:43,860
saying please continue to fly buy

2822
02:14:50,390 --> 02:14:45,840
tickets we want your business

2823
02:14:53,510 --> 02:14:50,400
I fly so much I fly

2824
02:14:57,109 --> 02:14:53,520
um nearly every weekend okay yeah all

2825
02:14:58,850 --> 02:14:57,119
year long I'm I'm flying somewhere and I

2826
02:15:03,290 --> 02:14:58,860
I have stuff that I'm doing I'm working

2827
02:15:05,569 --> 02:15:03,300
I'm researching and uh I can't I I don't

2828
02:15:07,609 --> 02:15:05,579
even know how many flights I've taken in

2829
02:15:10,850 --> 02:15:07,619
the last 12 months I have no clue but

2830
02:15:13,850 --> 02:15:10,860
but it's a lot I am constantly looking

2831
02:15:17,030 --> 02:15:13,860
out the window I haven't seen anything I

2832
02:15:22,010 --> 02:15:17,040
am constantly dude I've got my Mike I've

2833
02:15:25,069 --> 02:15:22,020
got video to go uh just in case

2834
02:15:27,709 --> 02:15:25,079
um I I believe do you know probably you

2835
02:15:31,010 --> 02:15:27,719
know my friend marked Antonio the

2836
02:15:32,810 --> 02:15:31,020
astronomer I do okay he's great Mark

2837
02:15:35,330 --> 02:15:32,820
he's really good I had him on the show a

2838
02:15:37,430 --> 02:15:35,340
couple weeks ago and and I can I can I

2839
02:15:41,689 --> 02:15:37,440
don't think you mind if I if I say this

2840
02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:41,699
we we a few years ago we were on our way

2841
02:15:46,310 --> 02:15:43,440
to Roswell

2842
02:15:49,189 --> 02:15:46,320
uh we were both speaking there and

2843
02:15:51,229 --> 02:15:49,199
sitting in the smaller plane we all met

2844
02:15:53,870 --> 02:15:51,239
in Denver so we had to get on a smaller

2845
02:15:56,450 --> 02:15:53,880
plane to fly to the local airport so

2846
02:15:59,510 --> 02:15:56,460
Mark and I were in a two-seater and in

2847
02:16:01,629 --> 02:15:59,520
front of us was uh David Marler the

2848
02:16:04,490 --> 02:16:01,639
great investigator and his wife Kendra

2849
02:16:07,370 --> 02:16:04,500
and and I couldn't really have a

2850
02:16:10,370 --> 02:16:07,380
conversation with Mark because he spent

2851
02:16:13,970 --> 02:16:10,380
the whole time with his face on the

2852
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:13,980
window because you know a camera in his

2853
02:16:19,669 --> 02:16:17,040
hand just always always looking hoping

2854
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:19,679
and he admit he admits it he says he'll

2855
02:16:27,770 --> 02:16:22,800
always prefer to get a window seat just

2856
02:16:31,250 --> 02:16:27,780
in case I can't I I you know I I like to

2857
02:16:33,589 --> 02:16:31,260
sometimes uh with an airplane

2858
02:16:36,230 --> 02:16:33,599
um I'll fall asleep on the runway it's

2859
02:16:38,389 --> 02:16:36,240
my sleep time that's my guaranteed you

2860
02:16:42,349 --> 02:16:38,399
know in a and so before the wheels are

2861
02:16:44,509 --> 02:16:42,359
up I'm I'm out yeah but that when that

2862
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:44,519
nap time is over 15 minutes half hour

2863
02:16:50,089 --> 02:16:47,760
later you know and I wait that's it man

2864
02:16:53,450 --> 02:16:50,099
not the window I'm out the window I'm

2865
02:16:54,889 --> 02:16:53,460
looking for anything my camera is set to

2866
02:16:57,349 --> 02:16:54,899
go yeah

2867
02:16:58,549 --> 02:16:57,359
um I'm I'm yeah I'm with Mark on this

2868
02:17:01,009 --> 02:16:58,559
one

2869
02:17:04,310 --> 02:17:01,019
um you know I I'm gonna see something

2870
02:17:06,469 --> 02:17:04,320
eventually now I want to hold you just

2871
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:06,479
made a very important point and I'm not

2872
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:08,399
going to let this get away okay you

2873
02:17:14,690 --> 02:17:10,800
mentioned you know seti's negative

2874
02:17:18,530 --> 02:17:14,700
approach to to contact there are two

2875
02:17:21,709 --> 02:17:18,540
members of seti on this NASA committee

2876
02:17:26,830 --> 02:17:21,719
is is Seth shostak one of them no no no

2877
02:17:30,709 --> 02:17:26,840
no no I think uh uh NASA knew better

2878
02:17:34,790 --> 02:17:30,719
I think NASA knew better but uh yeah uh

2879
02:17:39,290 --> 02:17:34,800
two members of seti now does that mean

2880
02:17:42,830 --> 02:17:39,300
that there is uh a change of habit with

2881
02:17:46,730 --> 02:17:42,840
with seti are these are they going to

2882
02:17:48,589 --> 02:17:46,740
approach this with an objective mindset

2883
02:17:50,929 --> 02:17:48,599
um okay you know I don't know but I was

2884
02:17:55,129 --> 02:17:50,939
I was a little taken aback by that keep

2885
02:17:59,450 --> 02:17:55,139
in mind what what the primary goal is of

2886
02:18:03,190 --> 02:17:59,460
seti is to find that Cosmic

2887
02:18:06,530 --> 02:18:03,200
needle in the haystack signal sure okay

2888
02:18:09,410 --> 02:18:06,540
using radio telescopes or whatever means

2889
02:18:12,950 --> 02:18:09,420
possible to get a signal that can be

2890
02:18:15,709 --> 02:18:12,960
proven to be of extraterrestrial or as

2891
02:18:17,509 --> 02:18:15,719
an intelligence source and it might be a

2892
02:18:19,910 --> 02:18:17,519
signal that just is basically reaching

2893
02:18:23,570 --> 02:18:19,920
out from another solar system or

2894
02:18:26,270 --> 02:18:23,580
wherever just trying to make contact of

2895
02:18:29,030 --> 02:18:26,280
their own outside of their own their own

2896
02:18:32,030 --> 02:18:29,040
environment and and so if we were to

2897
02:18:35,629 --> 02:18:32,040
find such a signal

2898
02:18:37,910 --> 02:18:35,639
how do we respond and how long does that

2899
02:18:40,310 --> 02:18:37,920
communication how long what kind of a

2900
02:18:43,190 --> 02:18:40,320
conversation can you have with someone

2901
02:18:45,589 --> 02:18:43,200
where it will take many years for their

2902
02:18:47,990 --> 02:18:45,599
signal to reach us many years for us to

2903
02:18:51,169 --> 02:18:48,000
devise a signal back to them and and

2904
02:18:55,070 --> 02:18:51,179
vice versa it's like how much money are

2905
02:18:59,150 --> 02:18:55,080
we going to spend because they they

2906
02:19:01,849 --> 02:18:59,160
seti relies so much on funding

2907
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:01,859
for what they do and if all of a sudden

2908
02:19:05,209 --> 02:19:03,200
they're

2909
02:19:08,509 --> 02:19:05,219
astronomers their scientists start

2910
02:19:11,690 --> 02:19:08,519
talking freely about UFOs that are being

2911
02:19:14,690 --> 02:19:11,700
now displayed uh all over the news media

2912
02:19:17,870 --> 02:19:14,700
well it doesn't that somehow

2913
02:19:19,910 --> 02:19:17,880
cause some friction with the the Mandate

2914
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:19,920
at City I think it's a mandate it's like

2915
02:19:24,889 --> 02:19:22,080
if you're going to be asked to be uh

2916
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:24,899
interviewed about what seti is doing uh

2917
02:19:29,089 --> 02:19:26,639
make sure that the interviewers don't

2918
02:19:30,830 --> 02:19:29,099
ask you about UFOs I mean I don't know I

2919
02:19:33,469 --> 02:19:30,840
don't know this for sure if they do this

2920
02:19:35,990 --> 02:19:33,479
but it would seem likely that they would

2921
02:19:38,589 --> 02:19:36,000
because they don't want to get into

2922
02:19:41,929 --> 02:19:38,599
any kind of a situation

2923
02:19:44,330 --> 02:19:41,939
astronomer astrophysicist Neil deGrasse

2924
02:19:47,450 --> 02:19:44,340
Tyson you know here's a guy he's the

2925
02:19:51,290 --> 02:19:47,460
people's astronomer now and and he he

2926
02:19:53,690 --> 02:19:51,300
does not like to talk about UFOs okay he

2927
02:19:55,070 --> 02:19:53,700
he'll he'll put the subject down he'll

2928
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:55,080
say it's probably something that can be

2929
02:20:01,070 --> 02:19:58,080
explained away and yet a couple of weeks

2930
02:20:03,110 --> 02:20:01,080
ago on The Late Show he told Stephen

2931
02:20:05,710 --> 02:20:03,120
Colbert he said you know what

2932
02:20:09,889 --> 02:20:05,720
we already know we've already got

2933
02:20:12,110 --> 02:20:09,899
confirmed 5 000 exoplanets that we know

2934
02:20:15,050 --> 02:20:12,120
are out there in our little neighborhood

2935
02:20:18,230 --> 02:20:15,060
here just five thousand so far

2936
02:20:19,849 --> 02:20:18,240
which is not to say that uh any of them

2937
02:20:22,070 --> 02:20:19,859
have any life on them or whether any of

2938
02:20:24,410 --> 02:20:22,080
them are in the Goldilocks zone where

2939
02:20:26,810 --> 02:20:24,420
there could be possibly habitable we're

2940
02:20:28,969 --> 02:20:26,820
not saying it just that little steps

2941
02:20:32,030 --> 02:20:28,979
five thousand planets that we already

2942
02:20:34,969 --> 02:20:32,040
know about and part of the James Webb

2943
02:20:38,750 --> 02:20:34,979
Space Telescope mission is to analyze

2944
02:20:41,050 --> 02:20:38,760
some of the atmospheres around those

2945
02:20:43,849 --> 02:20:41,060
planets that are around those Suns

2946
02:20:45,910 --> 02:20:43,859
astronomers are now telling us we have

2947
02:20:50,570 --> 02:20:45,920
to admit there are probably

2948
02:20:54,170 --> 02:20:50,580
several trillion galaxies surrounding us

2949
02:20:57,050 --> 02:20:54,180
out there and those Galaxies have

2950
02:20:59,389 --> 02:20:57,060
billions and maybe trillions of stars

2951
02:21:02,150 --> 02:20:59,399
let's get rid of the word stars and call

2952
02:21:04,730 --> 02:21:02,160
them what they are they're sons and that

2953
02:21:07,849 --> 02:21:04,740
the majority of those Sons probably have

2954
02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:07,859
at least one planet orbiting them the

2955
02:21:11,510 --> 02:21:09,600
numbers are staggering what they're

2956
02:21:14,990 --> 02:21:11,520
telling us now it's all about numbers

2957
02:21:17,030 --> 02:21:15,000
now so when anybody ever says to me Leah

2958
02:21:18,889 --> 02:21:17,040
can we decide that we're not alone in

2959
02:21:20,510 --> 02:21:18,899
the universe yeah I say to people you

2960
02:21:22,670 --> 02:21:20,520
know what take a look at the recent

2961
02:21:24,889 --> 02:21:22,680
pictures by the James Webb Space

2962
02:21:26,570 --> 02:21:24,899
Telescope and you tell me when you're

2963
02:21:27,590 --> 02:21:26,580
looking at the picture you tell me that

2964
02:21:29,330 --> 02:21:27,600
we're alone

2965
02:21:32,150 --> 02:21:29,340
yeah there's going to be an announcement

2966
02:21:35,450 --> 02:21:32,160
about Trappist 4 here pretty soon you

2967
02:21:38,270 --> 02:21:35,460
heard it from me uh timestamp uh this

2968
02:21:41,630 --> 02:21:38,280
show about about intelligent life on

2969
02:21:44,690 --> 02:21:41,640
Trappist 4 from the James Webb but um

2970
02:21:46,670 --> 02:21:44,700
but here's the other part uh swinging

2971
02:21:48,830 --> 02:21:46,680
back to NASA yes

2972
02:21:51,889 --> 02:21:48,840
um and and I'll make this blanket

2973
02:21:53,750 --> 02:21:51,899
statement uh about seti

2974
02:21:57,110 --> 02:21:53,760
um people can complain

2975
02:22:00,469 --> 02:21:57,120
they can do whatever they want it the

2976
02:22:04,490 --> 02:22:00,479
alternative which is doing nothing is

2977
02:22:06,530 --> 02:22:04,500
stupid so seti in what they're doing we

2978
02:22:08,090 --> 02:22:06,540
need to do it we have to do it they may

2979
02:22:09,590 --> 02:22:08,100
not see anything they might not hear

2980
02:22:12,770 --> 02:22:09,600
anything they're gonna you might have

2981
02:22:16,370 --> 02:22:12,780
but the alternative is nothing that's

2982
02:22:19,309 --> 02:22:16,380
[\h__\h] so uh no seti I'm fine with

2983
02:22:21,889 --> 02:22:19,319
seti Seth showstack you can complain

2984
02:22:24,170 --> 02:22:21,899
except just keep doing your thing and uh

2985
02:22:25,330 --> 02:22:24,180
maybe something will happen but to that

2986
02:22:31,969 --> 02:22:25,340
end

2987
02:22:33,889 --> 02:22:31,979
NASA is not uh doesn't have exposure to

2988
02:22:37,309 --> 02:22:33,899
classified data

2989
02:22:38,870 --> 02:22:37,319
they are only looking at this is my

2990
02:22:40,130 --> 02:22:38,880
understanding this is what I had read

2991
02:22:42,790 --> 02:22:40,140
today

2992
02:22:46,670 --> 02:22:42,800
they are only studying

2993
02:22:48,830 --> 02:22:46,680
unclassified reports and data and I'm I

2994
02:22:52,730 --> 02:22:48,840
feel a little a little strange about

2995
02:22:55,150 --> 02:22:52,740
that here's the other part is this study

2996
02:22:59,570 --> 02:22:55,160
group going to have access

2997
02:23:01,969 --> 02:22:59,580
to NASA's data not the Air Force not the

2998
02:23:04,010 --> 02:23:01,979
Navy not civilian not the airplane

2999
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:04,020
pilots that you know that have been in

3000
02:23:06,710 --> 02:23:05,520
the news over the past couple weeks

3001
02:23:09,950 --> 02:23:06,720
which I love

3002
02:23:14,150 --> 02:23:09,960
but they are only uh going to have

3003
02:23:16,309 --> 02:23:14,160
access to unclassified public reports

3004
02:23:18,170 --> 02:23:16,319
um kind of bummed me out yeah I I

3005
02:23:21,770 --> 02:23:18,180
totally feel the same way it's like if

3006
02:23:23,929 --> 02:23:21,780
it's already unclassified who cares

3007
02:23:26,210 --> 02:23:23,939
it's like give us the meat and potatoes

3008
02:23:28,610 --> 02:23:26,220
let us let them have some classified

3009
02:23:30,050 --> 02:23:28,620
stuff and let them see you and let them

3010
02:23:32,210 --> 02:23:30,060
come up with their own opinions but the

3011
02:23:33,770 --> 02:23:32,220
unclassified it's like you know it's

3012
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:33,780
like it's like I understand the concept

3013
02:23:37,670 --> 02:23:35,760
of you know take take little baby steps

3014
02:23:39,950 --> 02:23:37,680
to find the information but but give

3015
02:23:42,349 --> 02:23:39,960
them something to work with to come up

3016
02:23:43,610 --> 02:23:42,359
with with a reasonable explanation of

3017
02:23:45,950 --> 02:23:43,620
what we're dealing with here otherwise

3018
02:23:47,809 --> 02:23:45,960
why spend the time why put them the time

3019
02:23:49,490 --> 02:23:47,819
why spend the money and put the time

3020
02:23:51,230 --> 02:23:49,500
into it if all you're going to come back

3021
02:23:53,690 --> 02:23:51,240
is something that's just been kind of

3022
02:23:56,450 --> 02:23:53,700
whitewashed because you just wanted to

3023
02:23:59,150 --> 02:23:56,460
kind of ensue my way of thinking is how

3024
02:24:02,450 --> 02:23:59,160
can we string the public along how many

3025
02:24:05,090 --> 02:24:02,460
more years can we not give them more of

3026
02:24:07,070 --> 02:24:05,100
an essence of the truth is it because we

3027
02:24:09,590 --> 02:24:07,080
don't know the truth that's a

3028
02:24:12,349 --> 02:24:09,600
possibility too

3029
02:24:14,990 --> 02:24:12,359
um and and today today well over the

3030
02:24:17,950 --> 02:24:15,000
weekend but uh it really started making

3031
02:24:22,550 --> 02:24:17,960
the rounds today uh speaking about NASA

3032
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:22,560
is uh perseverance just took this

3033
02:24:28,910 --> 02:24:25,680
picture of what appears to be uh uh

3034
02:24:32,690 --> 02:24:28,920
something flying uh quite a distance

3035
02:24:35,210 --> 02:24:32,700
away uh on Mars and

3036
02:24:37,370 --> 02:24:35,220
um in Ingenuity the you know our

3037
02:24:41,090 --> 02:24:37,380
helicopter that's up there it wasn't

3038
02:24:43,309 --> 02:24:41,100
that this was a great distance away

3039
02:24:47,690 --> 02:24:43,319
um 12 seconds later it took another

3040
02:24:49,849 --> 02:24:47,700
picture and this object is is gone now

3041
02:24:52,010 --> 02:24:49,859
um this is NASA's data this is

3042
02:24:54,530 --> 02:24:52,020
perseverance

3043
02:24:57,530 --> 02:24:54,540
um what gives here this is not okay so

3044
02:24:59,929 --> 02:24:57,540
that's unclassified it's right this this

3045
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:59,939
is out in the public uh and making its

3046
02:25:04,190 --> 02:25:01,680
rounds today

3047
02:25:06,170 --> 02:25:04,200
um that was certainly uh interesting

3048
02:25:07,910 --> 02:25:06,180
what did you make of that image I you

3049
02:25:10,250 --> 02:25:07,920
know what I haven't seen that image yet

3050
02:25:12,230 --> 02:25:10,260
and as soon as I am I'm done oh I'll

3051
02:25:13,450 --> 02:25:12,240
pull it up oh yeah I would love to see

3052
02:25:15,650 --> 02:25:13,460
that because

3053
02:25:17,210 --> 02:25:15,660
do you think I'll pull it up right now

3054
02:25:20,510 --> 02:25:17,220
do you think that

3055
02:25:22,010 --> 02:25:20,520
um that there is a possibility I'm just

3056
02:25:25,429 --> 02:25:22,020
saying yeah

3057
02:25:28,429 --> 02:25:25,439
um that there is something else on Mars

3058
02:25:30,170 --> 02:25:28,439
watching us that is not from this Earth

3059
02:25:33,530 --> 02:25:30,180
and I shake my head this way because

3060
02:25:35,630 --> 02:25:33,540
I've looked at a lot of uh the Rover

3061
02:25:38,990 --> 02:25:35,640
pictures coming back not just from

3062
02:25:42,050 --> 02:25:39,000
perseverance but from Curiosity uh over

3063
02:25:44,630 --> 02:25:42,060
the last few years there's they're

3064
02:25:45,889 --> 02:25:44,640
taking pictures of stuff that just defy

3065
02:25:48,889 --> 02:25:45,899
logic

3066
02:25:50,870 --> 02:25:48,899
uh as far as I'm concerned I mean you

3067
02:25:54,050 --> 02:25:50,880
you can see pictures there that almost

3068
02:25:57,770 --> 02:25:54,060
certainly look like the aftermath of

3069
02:26:01,070 --> 02:25:57,780
Devastation of some planetary conflict

3070
02:26:03,950 --> 02:26:01,080
to my to my eyes

3071
02:26:08,630 --> 02:26:03,960
I have always said

3072
02:26:12,110 --> 02:26:08,640
um that if I'm going around uh

3073
02:26:14,450 --> 02:26:12,120
uh uh the desert and I'm starving right

3074
02:26:15,710 --> 02:26:14,460
yeah I'm starving and I'm going around

3075
02:26:18,349 --> 02:26:15,720
the desert

3076
02:26:20,690 --> 02:26:18,359
and uh

3077
02:26:22,610 --> 02:26:20,700
and there's nothing but but I will be

3078
02:26:25,370 --> 02:26:22,620
able to find something off in the

3079
02:26:27,950 --> 02:26:25,380
distance that looks man-made hopefully

3080
02:26:29,870 --> 02:26:27,960
there's water there and I'm gonna walk

3081
02:26:32,210 --> 02:26:29,880
towards that I don't see anything else

3082
02:26:33,230 --> 02:26:32,220
but maybe you know that's what I see on

3083
02:26:35,929 --> 02:26:33,240
Mars

3084
02:26:38,630 --> 02:26:35,939
right often I see stuff that doesn't

3085
02:26:40,490 --> 02:26:38,640
look natural and if I'm walking across

3086
02:26:43,250 --> 02:26:40,500
the Martian surface and I'm out of

3087
02:26:46,010 --> 02:26:43,260
oxygen I need some water I'm going to

3088
02:26:48,110 --> 02:26:46,020
find something to walk towards that's

3089
02:26:51,170 --> 02:26:48,120
it's it's it's it's it's rather obvious

3090
02:26:52,309 --> 02:26:51,180
or if you have like in the back pocket a

3091
02:26:54,170 --> 02:26:52,319
little thing called the Ingenuity

3092
02:26:55,550 --> 02:26:54,180
helicopter where you could send it out

3093
02:27:02,210 --> 02:26:55,560
there

3094
02:27:05,870 --> 02:27:02,220
shot yeah let's see um this is uh Ben

3095
02:27:08,150 --> 02:27:05,880
Hansen uh by the way uh we all love Ben

3096
02:27:09,889 --> 02:27:08,160
yeah

3097
02:27:11,330 --> 02:27:09,899
um let me pull this out and I'm going to

3098
02:27:13,730 --> 02:27:11,340
pull this up

3099
02:27:18,710 --> 02:27:13,740
um so this is from Ben Hansen's uh

3100
02:27:22,610 --> 02:27:18,720
Twitter feed okay uh so I'm sharing this

3101
02:27:24,650 --> 02:27:22,620
and here's the object right there oh I

3102
02:27:28,370 --> 02:27:24,660
see it I see it right right away yeah

3103
02:27:29,990 --> 02:27:28,380
and so uh let me see if I can I I don't

3104
02:27:33,230 --> 02:27:30,000
think there's a way for me to make this

3105
02:27:37,309 --> 02:27:33,240
bigger you can't zoom in on that huh uh

3106
02:27:38,290 --> 02:27:37,319
uh no okay so but but there it is and

3107
02:27:42,170 --> 02:27:38,300
then

3108
02:27:45,950 --> 02:27:42,180
uh 12 seconds later

3109
02:27:47,809 --> 02:27:45,960
it's gone it's gone yeah all right and I

3110
02:27:50,690 --> 02:27:47,819
forget the distance on this let's back

3111
02:27:52,670 --> 02:27:50,700
this up again it it looks like you know

3112
02:27:55,070 --> 02:27:52,680
it's fuzzy on this end so it looks like

3113
02:27:57,230 --> 02:27:55,080
it's moving in this direction

3114
02:28:00,590 --> 02:27:57,240
I don't know

3115
02:28:02,270 --> 02:28:00,600
um I can uh this is live radio and I

3116
02:28:05,389 --> 02:28:02,280
don't want to uh blow the moment but

3117
02:28:08,210 --> 02:28:05,399
during the break I will uh enhance this

3118
02:28:11,630 --> 02:28:08,220
but there it is 12 seconds later I like

3119
02:28:13,550 --> 02:28:11,640
that it's gone I'm going to call Ben and

3120
02:28:15,710 --> 02:28:13,560
say Ben

3121
02:28:17,450 --> 02:28:15,720
with all the equipment that you have for

3122
02:28:20,450 --> 02:28:17,460
zooming in on something what have you

3123
02:28:22,370 --> 02:28:20,460
got on this yeah oh yeah I'll blow it up

3124
02:28:27,050 --> 02:28:22,380
during the break everybody we'll take a

3125
02:28:29,990 --> 02:28:27,060
closer look but uh again if NASA is

3126
02:28:31,910 --> 02:28:30,000
going to be doing a study shouldn't they

3127
02:28:34,490 --> 02:28:31,920
take a look at this too as well it's not

3128
02:28:36,650 --> 02:28:34,500
Earth's atmosphere yes certainly an

3129
02:28:37,790 --> 02:28:36,660
atmosphere where they're supposed to be

3130
02:28:42,170 --> 02:28:37,800
nothing

3131
02:28:44,330 --> 02:28:42,180
and that appears to be something now

3132
02:28:45,830 --> 02:28:44,340
could it be a space Rock a meteorite

3133
02:28:47,450 --> 02:28:45,840
could it be something that is entering

3134
02:28:50,330 --> 02:28:47,460
sure it could be a lot of different

3135
02:28:53,510 --> 02:28:50,340
things but it's in the air and the only

3136
02:28:56,750 --> 02:28:53,520
other flying craft that I know of on

3137
02:28:58,910 --> 02:28:56,760
Mars is ingenuity or a helicopter and

3138
02:29:02,690 --> 02:28:58,920
that is not Ingenuity and we have we

3139
02:29:04,610 --> 02:29:02,700
have like a Mars uh long range Orbiter

3140
02:29:06,950 --> 02:29:04,620
that orbits the whole planet but it's

3141
02:29:09,830 --> 02:29:06,960
much higher up you know just mapping out

3142
02:29:11,150 --> 02:29:09,840
Mars as it goes around the planet yeah

3143
02:29:12,950 --> 02:29:11,160
nothing like that that just actually

3144
02:29:15,770 --> 02:29:12,960
looks like oh well what's that that

3145
02:29:18,170 --> 02:29:15,780
shouldn't be there yeah tell us yeah

3146
02:29:20,630 --> 02:29:18,180
it's incredible to me

3147
02:29:23,389 --> 02:29:20,640
um now uh before the break during the

3148
02:29:25,730 --> 02:29:23,399
break everybody I will uh I'm gonna blow

3149
02:29:29,450 --> 02:29:25,740
this up so we can uh take an a closer

3150
02:29:31,370 --> 02:29:29,460
look and and have Lee uh see this uh a

3151
02:29:33,469 --> 02:29:31,380
little bit more blown up

3152
02:29:36,050 --> 02:29:33,479
um but before the break and then we'll

3153
02:29:38,690 --> 02:29:36,060
continue after the breakly

3154
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:38,700
um we were promised a lot of things this

3155
02:29:42,830 --> 02:29:39,840
year

3156
02:29:46,250 --> 02:29:42,840
um from Washington DC we were promised

3157
02:29:48,349 --> 02:29:46,260
to uh new UFO reports one that was going

3158
02:29:50,090 --> 02:29:48,359
to be unclassified for the public and

3159
02:29:52,090 --> 02:29:50,100
another one six months later at the end

3160
02:29:54,410 --> 02:29:52,100
of the year that it was to be classified

3161
02:29:56,809 --> 02:29:54,420
we've still got a couple of months left

3162
02:29:59,030 --> 02:29:56,819
uh for the classified but we didn't get

3163
02:30:02,990 --> 02:29:59,040
the unclassified public report the

3164
02:30:05,809 --> 02:30:03,000
update to the UAP task force we just had

3165
02:30:08,330 --> 02:30:05,819
uh back in may we had a congressional

3166
02:30:10,849 --> 02:30:08,340
hearing with the subcommittee uh the now

3167
02:30:13,309 --> 02:30:10,859
I'm gonna say Infamous is the correct

3168
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:13,319
definition and use of the word the

3169
02:30:19,429 --> 02:30:17,120
infamous UFO foe hearing

3170
02:30:22,190 --> 02:30:19,439
do you think we'll get another hearing

3171
02:30:22,870 --> 02:30:22,200
before the end of the year oh I I doubt

3172
02:30:25,730 --> 02:30:22,880
it

3173
02:30:28,370 --> 02:30:25,740
no I don't I don't think so because at

3174
02:30:31,550 --> 02:30:28,380
the most recent hearing when a couple of

3175
02:30:34,550 --> 02:30:31,560
members of uh of Congress were really

3176
02:30:36,830 --> 02:30:34,560
sticking it to the military officials

3177
02:30:38,630 --> 02:30:36,840
who were there they wanted to know

3178
02:30:41,590 --> 02:30:38,640
um you know basically can you give us

3179
02:30:45,349 --> 02:30:41,600
more information about the famous real

3180
02:30:48,650 --> 02:30:45,359
incursions of UFOs over our our military

3181
02:30:50,750 --> 02:30:48,660
bases our nuclear bases uh nuclear

3182
02:30:53,150 --> 02:30:50,760
installations and and these guys that

3183
02:30:54,530 --> 02:30:53,160
were sitting there going gnome I haven't

3184
02:30:56,570 --> 02:30:54,540
heard of anything like that have you

3185
02:30:58,490 --> 02:30:56,580
know we'll have to look into this it's

3186
02:31:00,349 --> 02:30:58,500
like what are you kidding you you

3187
02:31:02,450 --> 02:31:00,359
answered it with that kind of a we don't

3188
02:31:05,590 --> 02:31:02,460
know about this how could they not know

3189
02:31:09,190 --> 02:31:05,600
and that's like it was so embarrassing

3190
02:31:12,110 --> 02:31:09,200
that that I'm hoping that the public

3191
02:31:14,210 --> 02:31:12,120
realizes that that the military is just

3192
02:31:16,730 --> 02:31:14,220
saying we didn't know anything about all

3193
02:31:19,250 --> 02:31:16,740
of the different UFO incursions over our

3194
02:31:21,469 --> 02:31:19,260
nuclear sites we don't know anything

3195
02:31:23,630 --> 02:31:21,479
about that we'll get back to you get

3196
02:31:26,330 --> 02:31:23,640
back to us this is this was going on

3197
02:31:29,690 --> 02:31:26,340
decades ago how could you not know about

3198
02:31:33,170 --> 02:31:29,700
this and try and and just it's it's BS

3199
02:31:35,389 --> 02:31:33,180
to me it's like let's just continue to

3200
02:31:37,370 --> 02:31:35,399
sweep it under the rug and maybe the

3201
02:31:39,770 --> 02:31:37,380
public will just go away and go about

3202
02:31:42,469 --> 02:31:39,780
their daily business and their lives and

3203
02:31:43,429 --> 02:31:42,479
not ask us any more questions well I

3204
02:31:45,950 --> 02:31:43,439
don't think that's going to happen

3205
02:31:48,469 --> 02:31:45,960
because it seems to be building up

3206
02:31:50,630 --> 02:31:48,479
building up to what I don't know but I

3207
02:31:54,290 --> 02:31:50,640
don't think we're that much closer

3208
02:31:57,710 --> 02:31:54,300
to disclosure yeah it's uh you know to

3209
02:31:59,690 --> 02:31:57,720
quote uh uh Richard Dolan we can't put

3210
02:32:01,670 --> 02:31:59,700
the toothpaste back in the tube right

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now you know not at this point let's

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tonight the one and only Lee Spiegel

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this is Fade to Black I am your host

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heading into overtime with Lee Spiegel

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love it love it the text going on

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the show I found out Lee's Lee's had

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Lasik uh but that's a that's another

3329
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I'll say that for later

3330
02:38:05,650 --> 02:38:03,479
I just said I just said I just said your

3331
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secret safe with me two two seconds

3332
02:38:12,469 --> 02:38:08,880
threw you under the bus just like that

3333
02:38:15,590 --> 02:38:12,479
man I just uh that's it okay so Lee

3334
02:38:19,130 --> 02:38:15,600
um uh I've got I've got the image

3335
02:38:22,610 --> 02:38:19,140
now now so check this out okay uh um

3336
02:38:25,969 --> 02:38:22,620
here it is this is uh full full high-res

3337
02:38:28,370 --> 02:38:25,979
right okay so and there it is off in the

3338
02:38:31,550 --> 02:38:28,380
distance and it appears to me like it

3339
02:38:34,010 --> 02:38:31,560
came out from behind uh this this hill

3340
02:38:36,710 --> 02:38:34,020
that's there but let's zoom in on this

3341
02:38:39,050 --> 02:38:36,720
baby yeah yeah yeah now also while it's

3342
02:38:41,870 --> 02:38:39,060
back in this direction it looks like

3343
02:38:43,849 --> 02:38:41,880
there's some kind of you know Vapor you

3344
02:38:46,490 --> 02:38:43,859
know exhaust or something you know from

3345
02:38:48,770 --> 02:38:46,500
this distance but it looks angled up

3346
02:38:51,770 --> 02:38:48,780
like it's flying in this direction okay

3347
02:38:56,170 --> 02:38:51,780
now let's zoom in let's see what we got

3348
02:38:59,990 --> 02:38:56,180
here oh I like this look at that William

3349
02:39:02,450 --> 02:39:00,000
so I see so yeah

3350
02:39:04,130 --> 02:39:02,460
all right

3351
02:39:08,990 --> 02:39:04,140
it doesn't look it doesn't look like a

3352
02:39:13,550 --> 02:39:09,000
photographic smudge to me it's not a bud

3353
02:39:15,830 --> 02:39:13,560
it's not a bud and here um now um I'm

3354
02:39:17,929 --> 02:39:15,840
going to say a couple of things this is

3355
02:39:20,570 --> 02:39:17,939
where you need Mark Dan Antonio right

3356
02:39:23,990 --> 02:39:20,580
you need a professional but yeah

3357
02:39:26,389 --> 02:39:24,000
if we back this up uh what is a pixel

3358
02:39:30,170 --> 02:39:26,399
right is that a pixel or is it square

3359
02:39:32,150 --> 02:39:30,180
shape but you can see the debris and you

3360
02:39:35,090 --> 02:39:32,160
can see how the pixels are breaking up

3361
02:39:37,910 --> 02:39:35,100
right yeah this is bigger than a pixel

3362
02:39:40,250 --> 02:39:37,920
oh yeah it's it's a solid object yeah

3363
02:39:44,690 --> 02:39:40,260
that's uh that's bigger than a pixel and

3364
02:39:47,270 --> 02:39:44,700
the way that it uh uh turns into a blur

3365
02:39:49,130 --> 02:39:47,280
you know obviously it's moving in this

3366
02:39:51,590 --> 02:39:49,140
direction

3367
02:39:54,110 --> 02:39:51,600
um but you can see the stair steps in

3368
02:39:57,650 --> 02:39:54,120
here so we're looking at some

3369
02:40:00,290 --> 02:39:57,660
pixelization but all of that kind of

3370
02:40:03,170 --> 02:40:00,300
goes away with me when you see uh the

3371
02:40:05,570 --> 02:40:03,180
blur at the at the back end of it but

3372
02:40:08,330 --> 02:40:05,580
that rats that even right there I like

3373
02:40:11,510 --> 02:40:08,340
that yeah yeah now let's say it's some

3374
02:40:15,349 --> 02:40:11,520
natural phenomenon right uh is it

3375
02:40:17,630 --> 02:40:15,359
something that ejected a volcano did it

3376
02:40:20,389 --> 02:40:17,640
right something I don't you know what

3377
02:40:23,270 --> 02:40:20,399
what would eject naturally from the

3378
02:40:26,030 --> 02:40:23,280
surface of Mars or Earth or any other

3379
02:40:28,309 --> 02:40:26,040
planet and and create this it's all

3380
02:40:30,830 --> 02:40:28,319
entirely possible

3381
02:40:34,130 --> 02:40:30,840
um but it disappeared so it is

3382
02:40:36,469 --> 02:40:34,140
definitely flying and moving because you

3383
02:40:40,550 --> 02:40:36,479
know the next next frame which is 12

3384
02:40:42,710 --> 02:40:40,560
seconds later this object is gone but uh

3385
02:40:45,830 --> 02:40:42,720
and not only the object is gone but the

3386
02:40:48,050 --> 02:40:45,840
residue of this exhaust is also gone

3387
02:40:51,710 --> 02:40:48,060
completely too yeah now you use the

3388
02:40:53,750 --> 02:40:51,720
right word there right exhaust

3389
02:40:55,790 --> 02:40:53,760
um it's this is a black and white

3390
02:40:59,690 --> 02:40:55,800
photograph

3391
02:41:02,990 --> 02:40:59,700
um so if it was a white Vapor steam you

3392
02:41:05,750 --> 02:41:03,000
know something ejecting from uh now

3393
02:41:08,030 --> 02:41:05,760
here's this is where my limited

3394
02:41:10,849 --> 02:41:08,040
scientific knowledge comes through the

3395
02:41:12,710 --> 02:41:10,859
atmosphere of Mars is very thin you can

3396
02:41:15,889 --> 02:41:12,720
enter and exit out of that pretty it's

3397
02:41:19,010 --> 02:41:15,899
not like Earth where things uh generate

3398
02:41:22,910 --> 02:41:19,020
heat there's friction things get hot and

3399
02:41:24,190 --> 02:41:22,920
so forth so a Comet could enter our

3400
02:41:26,570 --> 02:41:24,200
atmosphere

3401
02:41:29,570 --> 02:41:26,580
but a lot of it would burn up you know

3402
02:41:33,710 --> 02:41:29,580
so anything that is emitting gas the the

3403
02:41:36,710 --> 02:41:33,720
the the the the outside of of whatever

3404
02:41:38,389 --> 02:41:36,720
would vaporize in the atmosphere you

3405
02:41:40,550 --> 02:41:38,399
wouldn't see a comment with a comet

3406
02:41:42,710 --> 02:41:40,560
trail flying through Earth it would burn

3407
02:41:46,190 --> 02:41:42,720
up in the atmosphere

3408
02:41:50,870 --> 02:41:46,200
um but the comet trail would it be black

3409
02:41:55,010 --> 02:41:50,880
right that's interesting here what could

3410
02:41:58,550 --> 02:41:55,020
be ejected apparently something is

3411
02:42:01,250 --> 02:41:58,560
pushing this object up at this angle so

3412
02:42:04,370 --> 02:42:01,260
uh the color of the trail this is a

3413
02:42:06,290 --> 02:42:04,380
black and white shot so this I'm saying

3414
02:42:10,309 --> 02:42:06,300
that that's a black vapor trail or

3415
02:42:12,889 --> 02:42:10,319
exhaust yeah and and what it isn't to my

3416
02:42:15,050 --> 02:42:12,899
eyes it's obviously not the Ingenuity

3417
02:42:17,510 --> 02:42:15,060
helicopter there's no way

3418
02:42:21,230 --> 02:42:17,520
it's not which is electric

3419
02:42:23,630 --> 02:42:21,240
that's solar powered yeah right so

3420
02:42:26,270 --> 02:42:23,640
um but that's uh

3421
02:42:29,270 --> 02:42:26,280
that's bizarre man that's that's that's

3422
02:42:32,389 --> 02:42:29,280
a tough one to explain away even for uh

3423
02:42:35,090 --> 02:42:32,399
Seth Shao stack uh

3424
02:42:36,590 --> 02:42:35,100
that's uh I want to know what Ben Henson

3425
02:42:38,690 --> 02:42:36,600
thinks about this too I'm going to ask

3426
02:42:41,510 --> 02:42:38,700
him yeah he's got a he's got a pretty

3427
02:42:43,670 --> 02:42:41,520
good uh he's got a pretty good uh thing

3428
02:42:46,250 --> 02:42:43,680
going on on Twitter about this but yeah

3429
02:42:49,130 --> 02:42:46,260
give Ben a call and also I'm sure Mark

3430
02:42:52,010 --> 02:42:49,140
dantonio yeah has uh got something to

3431
02:42:54,469 --> 02:42:52,020
say they understand uh Ben understands

3432
02:42:57,290 --> 02:42:54,479
this and so does Mark about the

3433
02:42:59,090 --> 02:42:57,300
resolution uh with pixels and and what

3434
02:43:02,870 --> 02:42:59,100
you see at a great distance and what is

3435
02:43:06,530 --> 02:43:02,880
pixelized but this is only this isn't

3436
02:43:09,110 --> 02:43:06,540
uh you know a million miles away or 200

3437
02:43:13,070 --> 02:43:09,120
000 miles away from my understanding

3438
02:43:15,710 --> 02:43:13,080
this is uh uh five thousand about a mile

3439
02:43:18,290 --> 02:43:15,720
away

3440
02:43:20,990 --> 02:43:18,300
so that's a that's still a pretty good

3441
02:43:23,690 --> 02:43:21,000
resolution as far as pixels go but

3442
02:43:27,050 --> 02:43:23,700
Antonio would know right you're looking

3443
02:43:29,510 --> 02:43:27,060
at the pixels around this so is it

3444
02:43:31,910 --> 02:43:29,520
is it the size of a I don't know man

3445
02:43:34,309 --> 02:43:31,920
that's a crazy picture I love it I love

3446
02:43:35,990 --> 02:43:34,319
the picture yeah I I don't know what to

3447
02:43:38,090 --> 02:43:36,000
make of it I don't

3448
02:43:40,490 --> 02:43:38,100
um now this is where I want to pick your

3449
02:43:43,550 --> 02:43:40,500
brain a little bit more okay uh you've

3450
02:43:45,710 --> 02:43:43,560
been at this uh for a very long time

3451
02:43:47,110 --> 02:43:45,720
suddenly

3452
02:43:53,030 --> 02:43:47,120
um

3453
02:43:54,820 --> 02:43:53,040
the the area in and around Washington DC

3454
02:43:56,210 --> 02:43:54,830
wants to be our friend

3455
02:43:58,309 --> 02:43:56,220
[Laughter]

3456
02:44:00,410 --> 02:43:58,319
right now it doesn't matter if it's a

3457
02:44:03,230 --> 02:44:00,420
five-sided building

3458
02:44:07,550 --> 02:44:03,240
um or if it's the military if it's an

3459
02:44:09,230 --> 02:44:07,560
intelligence agency or two or elected

3460
02:44:11,690 --> 02:44:09,240
officials

3461
02:44:14,030 --> 02:44:11,700
um and and now we can even throw in a

3462
02:44:17,929 --> 02:44:14,040
civilian alleged civilian organization

3463
02:44:20,510 --> 02:44:17,939
like NASA that everybody wants to be our

3464
02:44:22,730 --> 02:44:20,520
friend and talk about this uh what's

3465
02:44:23,690 --> 02:44:22,740
going on here Lee well they want to

3466
02:44:27,770 --> 02:44:23,700
present

3467
02:44:30,490 --> 02:44:27,780
um the the the position that that

3468
02:44:32,950 --> 02:44:30,500
they're being transparent okay

3469
02:44:37,370 --> 02:44:32,960
everybody's talking about transparency

3470
02:44:40,150 --> 02:44:37,380
you know the big game changer for all of

3471
02:44:43,849 --> 02:44:40,160
this happened with that New York Times

3472
02:44:46,550 --> 02:44:43,859
December 2017 story written co-written

3473
02:44:50,090 --> 02:44:46,560
by Leslie Kane where now all of a sudden

3474
02:44:53,030 --> 02:44:50,100
the Pentagon was finally admitting that

3475
02:44:55,610 --> 02:44:53,040
not only Are UFOs real which had been

3476
02:44:57,950 --> 02:44:55,620
denied for so many decades but that

3477
02:45:00,110 --> 02:44:57,960
they're they they're still studying them

3478
02:45:01,849 --> 02:45:00,120
behind the scenes well that was kind of

3479
02:45:04,250 --> 02:45:01,859
against everything the Air Force told us

3480
02:45:05,830 --> 02:45:04,260
when they stopped Project Blue Book in

3481
02:45:08,570 --> 02:45:05,840
1969

3482
02:45:11,270 --> 02:45:08,580
and so we've we've been told that okay

3483
02:45:13,490 --> 02:45:11,280
we have kind of apologize we've been

3484
02:45:15,530 --> 02:45:13,500
we've been keeping this from the public

3485
02:45:18,170 --> 02:45:15,540
but we we did it because we wanted to

3486
02:45:20,770 --> 02:45:18,180
find out more about what's going on we

3487
02:45:24,050 --> 02:45:20,780
also realize it's not just an American

3488
02:45:27,590 --> 02:45:24,060
phenomenon this is happening in the

3489
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:27,600
skies all around the world and we we

3490
02:45:33,410 --> 02:45:30,240
still need to know what's going on here

3491
02:45:36,830 --> 02:45:33,420
now have you noticed Jimmy

3492
02:45:41,570 --> 02:45:36,840
that ever since that New York Times

3493
02:45:43,010 --> 02:45:41,580
story and since then we've seen so far

3494
02:45:47,270 --> 02:45:43,020
three

3495
02:45:49,130 --> 02:45:47,280
military Navy videos we all know the

3496
02:45:51,650 --> 02:45:49,140
familiar Tic Tac the famous Tic Tac

3497
02:45:53,330 --> 02:45:51,660
video now uh and and there's been other

3498
02:45:56,270 --> 02:45:53,340
videos that have been sort of slowly

3499
02:46:00,590 --> 02:45:56,280
leaked but in all of this time since

3500
02:46:03,650 --> 02:46:00,600
2017 I keep saying I keep asking

3501
02:46:07,429 --> 02:46:03,660
where's the Air Force we haven't heard a

3502
02:46:10,250 --> 02:46:07,439
peep from the Air Force and and whose

3503
02:46:13,130 --> 02:46:10,260
responsibility is it to Monitor and

3504
02:46:17,510 --> 02:46:13,140
protect our skies isn't it the Air Force

3505
02:46:20,210 --> 02:46:17,520
and it's almost as though they're saying

3506
02:46:22,429 --> 02:46:20,220
good let the Navy deal with us now we've

3507
02:46:24,349 --> 02:46:22,439
had too much egg on our faces going all

3508
02:46:27,050 --> 02:46:24,359
the way back to Roswell

3509
02:46:29,450 --> 02:46:27,060
you know let's just let's just leave it

3510
02:46:31,309 --> 02:46:29,460
alone the Navy's got a hold of it and

3511
02:46:34,670 --> 02:46:31,319
we'll just quietly sit back and watch

3512
02:46:37,429 --> 02:46:34,680
how it you know how it evolves from this

3513
02:46:39,770 --> 02:46:37,439
point but but I look at that and say

3514
02:46:42,349 --> 02:46:39,780
wait a minute the Air Force has to be

3515
02:46:44,330 --> 02:46:42,359
part of this the Navy sure they they

3516
02:46:46,910 --> 02:46:44,340
they protect this part of the Skies but

3517
02:46:49,309 --> 02:46:46,920
isn't the water the oceans the

3518
02:46:52,370 --> 02:46:49,319
jurisdiction of the Navy especially for

3519
02:46:55,370 --> 02:46:52,380
those Usos that we keep hearing a lot

3520
02:46:58,070 --> 02:46:55,380
about the underwater ones so why is the

3521
02:47:00,410 --> 02:46:58,080
Navy now suddenly picking up the mantle

3522
02:47:02,990 --> 02:47:00,420
and saying okay Air Force you can sit

3523
02:47:06,830 --> 02:47:03,000
back now we've got you covered but they

3524
02:47:11,770 --> 02:47:06,840
don't have us covered I mean right and

3525
02:47:17,270 --> 02:47:11,780
Chris Mellon yes uh wrote an op-ed

3526
02:47:21,950 --> 02:47:17,280
uh six months ago or thereabouts uh

3527
02:47:24,530 --> 02:47:21,960
complaining uh and pointing out uh some

3528
02:47:26,809 --> 02:47:24,540
certain not only the collection of

3529
02:47:29,690 --> 02:47:26,819
technical data and sensor data and how

3530
02:47:31,490 --> 02:47:29,700
how it's done but the logistics involved

3531
02:47:33,050 --> 02:47:31,500
and what branches of the military are

3532
02:47:35,690 --> 02:47:33,060
involved and how they're sharing data

3533
02:47:39,110 --> 02:47:35,700
and you you read through this op-ed it's

3534
02:47:41,929 --> 02:47:39,120
very interesting and uh whatever you

3535
02:47:44,210 --> 02:47:41,939
think about Chris melon the op-ed

3536
02:47:48,410 --> 02:47:44,220
um stands on its own and he makes a

3537
02:47:51,170 --> 02:47:48,420
point about Midway through and I I still

3538
02:47:54,590 --> 02:47:51,180
can't believe I'm the only person

3539
02:47:59,030 --> 02:47:54,600
um that was concerned about this but he

3540
02:48:03,050 --> 02:47:59,040
says that there was a secure

3541
02:48:06,469 --> 02:48:03,060
chat room set up inside of the Pentagon

3542
02:48:07,730 --> 02:48:06,479
for the branches of the military to get

3543
02:48:11,150 --> 02:48:07,740
together

3544
02:48:12,830 --> 02:48:11,160
and talk about uaps right a secure

3545
02:48:16,370 --> 02:48:12,840
secure chat room

3546
02:48:17,990 --> 02:48:16,380
and there were members of all the

3547
02:48:19,790 --> 02:48:18,000
branches of the military they're all in

3548
02:48:22,370 --> 02:48:19,800
there talking about what they've seen

3549
02:48:24,349 --> 02:48:22,380
and data and so forth

3550
02:48:26,809 --> 02:48:24,359
including the Air Force

3551
02:48:27,849 --> 02:48:26,819
in the Air Force brass found out about

3552
02:48:31,690 --> 02:48:27,859
this

3553
02:48:33,830 --> 02:48:31,700
and sent a direct

3554
02:48:37,730 --> 02:48:33,840
memo out

3555
02:48:41,570 --> 02:48:37,740
to the air force that you are not to be

3556
02:48:44,809 --> 02:48:41,580
a part of that chat room and the Air

3557
02:48:47,450 --> 02:48:44,819
Force backed off and it was just you

3558
02:48:49,370 --> 02:48:47,460
know the the Coast Guard the Navy the

3559
02:48:54,050 --> 02:48:49,380
Marines the Army they're all in

3560
02:48:58,429 --> 02:48:57,050
well you know and and and directly to

3561
02:49:02,150 --> 02:48:58,439
your point

3562
02:49:04,070 --> 02:49:02,160
it's the air force that has been silent

3563
02:49:07,309 --> 02:49:04,080
which Chris Mellon talked about number

3564
02:49:10,790 --> 02:49:07,319
one but number two they are the ones we

3565
02:49:14,809 --> 02:49:10,800
need to hear from and they feel that

3566
02:49:18,050 --> 02:49:14,819
they are above instruction

3567
02:49:20,450 --> 02:49:18,060
right that you could you can ask us

3568
02:49:23,389 --> 02:49:20,460
whatever you want we we don't have to do

3569
02:49:26,870 --> 02:49:23,399
anything and when it comes to UFOs and

3570
02:49:29,090 --> 02:49:26,880
uaps we're not talking and that's the

3571
02:49:30,530 --> 02:49:29,100
end of the story yeah they feel

3572
02:49:32,809 --> 02:49:30,540
empowered

3573
02:49:35,690 --> 02:49:32,819
and and yet

3574
02:49:39,530 --> 02:49:35,700
this attitude and it is an attitude

3575
02:49:41,929 --> 02:49:39,540
we're not talking about everyday

3576
02:49:43,849 --> 02:49:41,939
motor vehicle traffic on a highway and

3577
02:49:47,389 --> 02:49:43,859
who's in charge of that I mean we're

3578
02:49:51,290 --> 02:49:47,399
talking about something that could and

3579
02:49:53,809 --> 02:49:51,300
will eventually affect the entire planet

3580
02:49:57,530 --> 02:49:53,819
if it already hasn't begun to

3581
02:49:59,389 --> 02:49:57,540
and it will affect how every person who

3582
02:50:02,150 --> 02:49:59,399
lives on this planet

3583
02:50:04,610 --> 02:50:02,160
thinks about these kinds of things this

3584
02:50:07,429 --> 02:50:04,620
is this is not another one of those have

3585
02:50:08,570 --> 02:50:07,439
folks um we're going to uh we're going

3586
02:50:11,630 --> 02:50:08,580
to have a lot of different study

3587
02:50:13,130 --> 02:50:11,640
committees now about UAP UFOs we'll

3588
02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:13,140
continue to get back to you we'll give

3589
02:50:17,330 --> 02:50:15,359
you periodic updates but for the

3590
02:50:19,429 --> 02:50:17,340
meantime it doesn't look like we're in

3591
02:50:22,790 --> 02:50:19,439
any kind of danger from this UAP thing

3592
02:50:26,270 --> 02:50:22,800
which is real it's not fictitious we'll

3593
02:50:28,309 --> 02:50:26,280
we'll keep you informed as we see fit so

3594
02:50:31,849 --> 02:50:28,319
please continue to go about your daily

3595
02:50:33,469 --> 02:50:31,859
business your daily lives and we'll

3596
02:50:37,309 --> 02:50:33,479
we'll keep you in touch

3597
02:50:39,650 --> 02:50:37,319
that that's how we are all being treated

3598
02:50:43,190 --> 02:50:39,660
and they think they're getting away with

3599
02:50:47,510 --> 02:50:43,200
it but and they are to a degree I don't

3600
02:50:50,389 --> 02:50:47,520
see a big public uproar about this yet a

3601
02:50:52,429 --> 02:50:50,399
big Grassroots movement about this I

3602
02:50:54,590 --> 02:50:52,439
don't see that

3603
02:50:56,630 --> 02:50:54,600
um but but maybe that's what's needed

3604
02:50:58,490 --> 02:50:56,640
and on the other hand

3605
02:51:02,030 --> 02:50:58,500
my attitude has changed a little bit

3606
02:51:04,309 --> 02:51:02,040
about just how how much do the nations

3607
02:51:06,590 --> 02:51:04,319
of the world know

3608
02:51:07,790 --> 02:51:06,600
um I mean and another question I love to

3609
02:51:10,250 --> 02:51:07,800
throw out is

3610
02:51:13,910 --> 02:51:10,260
who's in charge here

3611
02:51:18,290 --> 02:51:13,920
I mean who who's really really in charge

3612
02:51:20,690 --> 02:51:18,300
um there's that famous uh quote from

3613
02:51:23,030 --> 02:51:20,700
President Bill Clinton

3614
02:51:25,849 --> 02:51:23,040
that we actually used in in our

3615
02:51:28,429 --> 02:51:25,859
documentary The the phenomenon where

3616
02:51:31,010 --> 02:51:28,439
it's it's been known that many United

3617
02:51:33,010 --> 02:51:31,020
States presidents have made slight

3618
02:51:34,730 --> 02:51:33,020
references to UFOs

3619
02:51:36,469 --> 02:51:34,740
excuse me

3620
02:51:38,870 --> 02:51:36,479
most of them I've never really offered

3621
02:51:41,270 --> 02:51:38,880
any kind of credible transparency about

3622
02:51:43,610 --> 02:51:41,280
it all but one of our commanders in

3623
02:51:45,950 --> 02:51:43,620
Chief Bill Clinton has hinted that when

3624
02:51:48,889 --> 02:51:45,960
he was in office he made some inquiries

3625
02:51:51,230 --> 02:51:48,899
into possible UFO secret information but

3626
02:51:53,750 --> 02:51:51,240
nothing ever came from that effort but

3627
02:51:56,030 --> 02:51:53,760
in 20 in 2005

3628
02:51:58,790 --> 02:51:56,040
while he was in the middle of a speech

3629
02:52:01,849 --> 02:51:58,800
in Hong Kong someone in the audience

3630
02:52:03,530 --> 02:52:01,859
asked about his interest in UFOs and and

3631
02:52:06,710 --> 02:52:03,540
here's what he said it's a short thing

3632
02:52:08,990 --> 02:52:06,720
but let me just quote from him he said I

3633
02:52:10,969 --> 02:52:09,000
did attempt to find out if there were

3634
02:52:13,670 --> 02:52:10,979
any secret government documents that

3635
02:52:16,250 --> 02:52:13,680
reveal things and if there were they

3636
02:52:19,130 --> 02:52:16,260
were concealed from me too

3637
02:52:21,969 --> 02:52:19,140
I wouldn't be the first president that

3638
02:52:24,830 --> 02:52:21,979
underlings have lied to or that career

3639
02:52:26,690 --> 02:52:24,840
bureaucrats have waited out but there

3640
02:52:29,389 --> 02:52:26,700
may be some career person sitting around

3641
02:52:33,050 --> 02:52:29,399
somewhere hiding these dark secrets even

3642
02:52:35,809 --> 02:52:33,060
from elected presidents but if so they

3643
02:52:37,790 --> 02:52:35,819
successfully eluded me and I'm almost

3644
02:52:41,389 --> 02:52:37,800
embarrassed to tell you I did try to

3645
02:52:43,309 --> 02:52:41,399
find out end quote well now when when

3646
02:52:45,170 --> 02:52:43,319
Clinton said that he wouldn't be the

3647
02:52:47,870 --> 02:52:45,180
first president that underlings have

3648
02:52:51,050 --> 02:52:47,880
lied to didn't that imply

3649
02:52:53,929 --> 02:52:51,060
that UFO information

3650
02:52:57,830 --> 02:52:53,939
is kept away from elected presidents or

3651
02:53:00,170 --> 02:52:57,840
it suggests that presidents of the

3652
02:53:03,650 --> 02:53:00,180
United States don't have a high enough

3653
02:53:06,170 --> 02:53:03,660
security clearance or need to know

3654
02:53:09,290 --> 02:53:06,180
at the very least I think Clinton's

3655
02:53:10,550 --> 02:53:09,300
statement was a form of UFO disclosure

3656
02:53:14,090 --> 02:53:10,560
and I don't think any other president

3657
02:53:17,150 --> 02:53:14,100
has offered that kind of opinion

3658
02:53:19,550 --> 02:53:17,160
um and yet you very often don't hear you

3659
02:53:20,750 --> 02:53:19,560
don't very often hear people quoting him

3660
02:53:22,849 --> 02:53:20,760
of that but he said it he wasn't

3661
02:53:25,730 --> 02:53:22,859
laughing about it he was basically

3662
02:53:27,950 --> 02:53:25,740
saying to me I I was elected president

3663
02:53:30,290 --> 02:53:27,960
to manage the country I didn't have a

3664
02:53:32,090 --> 02:53:30,300
high enough clearance about UFOs that's

3665
02:53:34,370 --> 02:53:32,100
what he was saying to us yeah in the

3666
02:53:37,490 --> 02:53:34,380
Wilson Davis document rear Admiral

3667
02:53:40,790 --> 02:53:37,500
Wilson uh recounts uh to Eric Davis

3668
02:53:42,530 --> 02:53:40,800
about his trip I'm assuming it was to

3669
02:53:45,830 --> 02:53:42,540
Lockheed Skunk Works you know down the

3670
02:53:48,590 --> 02:53:45,840
street from my home here in Palmdale and

3671
02:53:50,150 --> 02:53:48,600
he visits uh Skunk Works and he meets

3672
02:53:52,849 --> 02:53:50,160
with three people from there on the head

3673
02:53:55,309 --> 02:53:52,859
of security meets with an attorney and

3674
02:53:58,309 --> 02:53:55,319
an engineer right three people

3675
02:54:01,790 --> 02:53:58,319
and they tell him

3676
02:54:03,950 --> 02:54:01,800
and I'm I'm very directly this is a very

3677
02:54:06,290 --> 02:54:03,960
heated exchange according to Admiral

3678
02:54:08,630 --> 02:54:06,300
Wilson uh between himself and these

3679
02:54:12,469 --> 02:54:08,640
three individuals that have invited him

3680
02:54:14,809 --> 02:54:12,479
by the way to Skunk Works and they tell

3681
02:54:18,590 --> 02:54:16,849
it's about aliens

3682
02:54:21,170 --> 02:54:18,600
he's trying to figure out this sap

3683
02:54:22,429 --> 02:54:21,180
program are they backwards engineer you

3684
02:54:26,389 --> 02:54:22,439
know he's trying to get answers and they

3685
02:54:28,250 --> 02:54:26,399
said look we've got a craft here and we

3686
02:54:30,950 --> 02:54:28,260
think it can fly

3687
02:54:32,269 --> 02:54:30,960
and that's what we're spending your

3688
02:54:36,170 --> 02:54:32,279
money on

3689
02:54:39,469 --> 02:54:36,180
but you can complain all you want you

3690
02:54:40,910 --> 02:54:39,479
can yell and and I'm quoting here they

3691
02:54:44,389 --> 02:54:40,920
say to him

3692
02:54:47,389 --> 02:54:44,399
you can fly back to Washington DC you

3693
02:54:48,290 --> 02:54:47,399
can scream and yell to anybody that you

3694
02:54:50,870 --> 02:54:48,300
want

3695
02:54:54,110 --> 02:54:50,880
we don't care

3696
02:54:56,510 --> 02:54:54,120
right and and and Wilson says to Davis

3697
02:55:00,710 --> 02:54:56,520
he goes it was at that point I realized

3698
02:55:04,670 --> 02:55:00,720
that this was for me I was J2 of The

3699
02:55:06,849 --> 02:55:04,680
Joint Chiefs right that I realized that

3700
02:55:10,849 --> 02:55:06,859
I was dealing with the level of secrecy

3701
02:55:13,130 --> 02:55:10,859
that was above me and there was nothing

3702
02:55:15,469 --> 02:55:13,140
I could do about it yeah and he says you

3703
02:55:18,110 --> 02:55:15,479
know what I did I got on that plane I

3704
02:55:20,269 --> 02:55:18,120
flew back to Washington DC and I'm

3705
02:55:21,230 --> 02:55:20,279
yelling and screaming and everybody told

3706
02:55:22,849 --> 02:55:21,240
me

3707
02:55:25,550 --> 02:55:22,859
whatever

3708
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:25,560
right and that's and that goes back to

3709
02:55:30,230 --> 02:55:27,359
exactly what Bill Clinton is talking

3710
02:55:33,710 --> 02:55:30,240
about yeah elected officials they come

3711
02:55:35,929 --> 02:55:33,720
and go right uh career military people

3712
02:55:39,469 --> 02:55:35,939
they've got their own agenda and then

3713
02:55:42,349 --> 02:55:39,479
outside of that you have the the private

3714
02:55:44,690 --> 02:55:42,359
sector you have corporations where there

3715
02:55:47,330 --> 02:55:44,700
is no government documents that are

3716
02:55:49,309 --> 02:55:47,340
going to be foided there's nothing you

3717
02:55:52,309 --> 02:55:49,319
can do about that there's no document

3718
02:55:54,590 --> 02:55:52,319
number assigned to an sap program

3719
02:55:56,929 --> 02:55:54,600
backwards engineering alien craft

3720
02:56:00,230 --> 02:55:56,939
there's there's no paper trail for that

3721
02:56:02,570 --> 02:56:00,240
yeah and and so I'm I'm left with the

3722
02:56:04,730 --> 02:56:02,580
with the question with the new NASA

3723
02:56:06,650 --> 02:56:04,740
study that's coming up more information

3724
02:56:09,590 --> 02:56:06,660
coming off from the Pentagon maybe

3725
02:56:10,730 --> 02:56:09,600
another Congressional committee but in

3726
02:56:14,450 --> 02:56:10,740
the end

3727
02:56:17,030 --> 02:56:14,460
who's in charge and and not just who's

3728
02:56:19,030 --> 02:56:17,040
in charge here in America who's in

3729
02:56:21,650 --> 02:56:19,040
charge of all this information

3730
02:56:24,170 --> 02:56:21,660
worldwide that's the bigger question

3731
02:56:26,090 --> 02:56:24,180
that needs to be approached I think yeah

3732
02:56:31,370 --> 02:56:26,100
yeah and you're right about that and and

3733
02:56:35,269 --> 02:56:31,380
to that end it's not a surprise to me to

3734
02:56:37,910 --> 02:56:35,279
have uh a subcommittee for Congress or

3735
02:56:40,250 --> 02:56:37,920
the Senate intelligence committee where

3736
02:56:41,090 --> 02:56:40,260
these you know elected officials are

3737
02:56:45,830 --> 02:56:41,100
going

3738
02:56:48,190 --> 02:56:45,840
don't know about it yeah right well

3739
02:56:52,250 --> 02:56:48,200
there you go

3740
02:56:55,389 --> 02:56:52,260
they can go if you would think that

3741
02:56:58,429 --> 02:56:55,399
Marco Rubio head of the intelligence

3742
02:57:00,710 --> 02:56:58,439
committee at the Senate can go and get

3743
02:57:03,889 --> 02:57:00,720
all the answers that he wants right well

3744
02:57:07,250 --> 02:57:03,899
apparently he can't right and if he

3745
02:57:10,130 --> 02:57:07,260
can't uh a president that comes in for

3746
02:57:11,570 --> 02:57:10,140
four years eight years uh you know on a

3747
02:57:14,929 --> 02:57:11,580
good term

3748
02:57:18,230 --> 02:57:14,939
um is going to be uh opening up folders

3749
02:57:21,530 --> 02:57:18,240
and being read into something that

3750
02:57:24,650 --> 02:57:21,540
um is possibly so secretive and so

3751
02:57:26,570 --> 02:57:24,660
important that no uh you're not going to

3752
02:57:28,490 --> 02:57:26,580
know this information and this is

3753
02:57:31,130 --> 02:57:28,500
something that's been worked on for the

3754
02:57:33,650 --> 02:57:31,140
last 70 80 years yeah it's going to be

3755
02:57:35,809 --> 02:57:33,660
worked on for the next 70 and 80 way

3756
02:57:38,269 --> 02:57:35,819
after you're gone there's no reason to

3757
02:57:41,630 --> 02:57:38,279
bring him in or her

3758
02:57:43,550 --> 02:57:41,640
it's frustrating because I don't think

3759
02:57:45,290 --> 02:57:43,560
we're going to have any kind of the the

3760
02:57:46,849 --> 02:57:45,300
kind of disclosure that people would

3761
02:57:51,530 --> 02:57:46,859
like I don't think it's going to happen

3762
02:57:53,929 --> 02:57:51,540
in my lifetime uh because it's it's not

3763
02:57:57,290 --> 02:57:53,939
meant to happen yet because I also think

3764
02:58:00,410 --> 02:57:57,300
that whoever's in charge have their own

3765
02:58:03,830 --> 02:58:00,420
agenda and reasons for keeping this

3766
02:58:06,110 --> 02:58:03,840
still out of the Public's consciousness

3767
02:58:08,389 --> 02:58:06,120
and there's nothing that people like you

3768
02:58:11,030 --> 02:58:08,399
and me can do about it can do about

3769
02:58:13,690 --> 02:58:11,040
changing that we don't have the ability

3770
02:58:17,210 --> 02:58:13,700
or the power to change what is obviously

3771
02:58:20,450 --> 02:58:17,220
an official policy that's been mandated

3772
02:58:23,150 --> 02:58:20,460
and it's been ongoing for decades maybe

3773
02:58:25,370 --> 02:58:23,160
longer than decades okay going like all

3774
02:58:29,750 --> 02:58:25,380
the way back to the original General

3775
02:58:32,269 --> 02:58:29,760
Twining member from 1947. yeah uh I I

3776
02:58:33,590 --> 02:58:32,279
mean we we people say well you know

3777
02:58:35,809 --> 02:58:33,600
what's how long has this been going on

3778
02:58:38,210 --> 02:58:35,819
well the the Air Force told the cadets

3779
02:58:41,210 --> 02:58:38,220
has been going on for 47 000 years but

3780
02:58:43,670 --> 02:58:41,220
we know that in more recent times it's

3781
02:58:47,330 --> 02:58:43,680
we can take it we can Channel it back to

3782
02:58:49,429 --> 02:58:47,340
1947 when a lot of this stuff began and

3783
02:58:51,650 --> 02:58:49,439
so it's still not being

3784
02:58:54,110 --> 02:58:51,660
told we're still not being told what's

3785
02:58:55,610 --> 02:58:54,120
going on and so sometimes I feel like

3786
02:58:57,010 --> 02:58:55,620
really frustrated like well what else

3787
02:59:00,490 --> 02:58:57,020
can I do

3788
02:59:03,110 --> 02:59:00,500
except to make some of these events more

3789
02:59:04,309 --> 02:59:03,120
available to the public let them know

3790
02:59:08,330 --> 02:59:04,319
about more pilots that are coming

3791
02:59:10,790 --> 02:59:08,340
forward to continue to bring forth more

3792
02:59:13,190 --> 02:59:10,800
information until someone else takes

3793
02:59:15,590 --> 02:59:13,200
over you know the ability to do

3794
02:59:18,110 --> 02:59:15,600
something better than you and I can do

3795
02:59:20,570 --> 02:59:18,120
at this point yeah but I'm not in

3796
02:59:22,130 --> 02:59:20,580
control I don't have any power I'm not

3797
02:59:23,830 --> 02:59:22,140
the president I don't even play one on

3798
02:59:28,849 --> 02:59:23,840
television or radio

3799
02:59:31,490 --> 02:59:28,859
so I just I I can only do what I can do

3800
02:59:33,889 --> 02:59:31,500
and hope that that it helps to at least

3801
02:59:36,830 --> 02:59:33,899
get some people thinking about it a

3802
02:59:38,990 --> 02:59:36,840
little bit more realistically

3803
02:59:41,269 --> 02:59:39,000
um but I'm really glad to say that

3804
02:59:44,570 --> 02:59:41,279
overall I think the whole ridicule

3805
02:59:47,269 --> 02:59:44,580
factor of UFOs has come way down way

3806
02:59:49,849 --> 02:59:47,279
down yeah yeah I'm happy about that yeah

3807
02:59:51,830 --> 02:59:49,859
yeah we're in the safe Zone uh now and I

3808
02:59:55,370 --> 02:59:51,840
hope it continues Lee you've been

3809
02:59:58,250 --> 02:59:55,380
fighting the good fight for decades uh

3810
03:00:01,190 --> 02:59:58,260
the community thanks you I thank you uh

3811
03:00:03,889 --> 03:00:01,200
another great conversation tonight uh I

3812
03:00:06,889 --> 03:00:03,899
will see you in seven uh six days yeah

3813
03:00:09,530 --> 03:00:06,899
for the anniversary uh kicking off a

3814
03:00:12,769 --> 03:00:09,540
week from today on Halloween night until

3815
03:00:16,490 --> 03:00:12,779
then be safe and continue to cause

3816
03:00:18,889 --> 03:00:16,500
trouble thank you Jimmy you too thanks

3817
03:00:22,790 --> 03:00:18,899
you're the absolute very best and with

3818
03:00:25,370 --> 03:00:22,800
that we just ran Bumper to Bumper pole

3819
03:00:28,490 --> 03:00:25,380
to pole with Lee Spiegel tonight thank

3820
03:00:31,250 --> 03:00:28,500
you so much Lee he is the absolute very

3821
03:00:34,309 --> 03:00:31,260
best and with that he just gave me the

3822
03:00:36,410 --> 03:00:34,319
thumbs up I feel better I Feel Complete

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03:00:38,090 --> 03:00:36,420
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03:01:02,690 --> 03:01:00,720
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03:01:04,610 --> 03:01:02,700
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03:01:13,610 --> 03:01:11,580
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3839
03:01:15,410 --> 03:01:13,620
of Halloween week

3840
03:01:17,170 --> 03:01:15,420
this is Fade to Black I want everybody

3841
03:01:19,720 --> 03:01:17,180
to be safe

3842
03:01:37,950 --> 03:01:19,730
go back Lee Taffy

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